ATP mins and Regionals
08-12-2013 | 08:11 AM
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08-12-2013 | 08:32 AM
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From: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
1500 hours for EVERYONE!!! I have flown plenty with aviation majors, some who believed themselves to be rocket scientists. Many I could not trust with the most basic of tasks, some of these guys could not fly a kite on their own; of course as in everything there are exemptions. some were very very sharp. Also have flown with low time non aviation majors who did very good consistently. We all know that the only reason this was watered down was because of lobbyist paid for by these universities to favor a few who in many cases are not more qualified than a monkey. However they are going to need all the help they can get to live off a 25,000 yr salary after their parents paid over 100,000 to get them there shinny jet syndrome will fade away very quickly.
-1500 hrs for EVERYONE or 1000 for ALL!
-only exemption I agree with is that for military aviators
-1500 hrs for EVERYONE or 1000 for ALL!
-only exemption I agree with is that for military aviators
Nonetheless, with the education industry becoming the juggernaut that it is, I was truly afraid the big flight schools would get exempted down to 250. No matter how good the instructor, school, syllabus, training environment, and so on, there will be lessons not learned, lessons forgotten, etc. The actual flight experience fine tunes the education, matures and humbles the pilot.
08-12-2013 | 07:52 PM
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A lot of people may not agree with what was the final outcome of this ruling & I know it will not be fair to a lot of folks, but in the end, it is what it is.
Big Money won, once again.... But what surprises me is that RAA did not win, rather the schools & universities won....
But, I am a glass half full person, so the way I see this, it could have been a lot worse..
Let's face the reality, For 121 purpose, ATP is the NEW Commercial now.
Some people used to get the commercial at 200, some at 250, some took even longer.
Now, same goes for ATP, some will get it at 1000, others at 1200 & the rest at 1500....
Big Money won, once again.... But what surprises me is that RAA did not win, rather the schools & universities won....
But, I am a glass half full person, so the way I see this, it could have been a lot worse..
Let's face the reality, For 121 purpose, ATP is the NEW Commercial now.
Some people used to get the commercial at 200, some at 250, some took even longer.
Now, same goes for ATP, some will get it at 1000, others at 1200 & the rest at 1500....
08-12-2013 | 08:12 PM
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Sadly though there are unintended consequences. This is another nail in the coffin of the well experienced mom and pop independent part 61 CFI. Now even more pilots will be trained at the university level by a freshly minted CFI.
08-12-2013 | 08:22 PM
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So true, working at one of these mom and pop, 61/141 small schools. It's hard to get CFI's these days and we have absolutely zero students wanting or training for pilot careers. We have a couple commercial guys but only for the ratings nothing more. Docs and older students wanting to check off a bucket list item and we do alot of VA just using there gov. money for same reason.
08-12-2013 | 08:46 PM
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From: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
One thing I think will be an improvement is that flight instructors will have to stick around for more than two weeks. Unlike back in the '07 era when flight schools got absolutely decimated of experience in very short order. The damage that does to a flight school can take years to rebuild, believe me, I know!
08-12-2013 | 08:51 PM
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I'm of the opinion that it should be either 1000 for everyone or 1500 for everyone. The military exemption is OK, because their training is miles above any part 141 or 61 school, and they get qual'd right into heavy and/or high performance equipment. Also, the only military aviators that would likely even need to take advantage of the rule are the occasional guard/reserve pilot.
08-12-2013 | 09:25 PM
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No, it's not the same! It's a RESTRICTED ATP! In my opinion having restricted written all over your license is worse than a Commercial ticket! Next accident, mark my words, the lawyers will have a Hay Day with this! It's a total liability for Airlines to hire pilots with RESTRICTED written on their ticket! I don't care what kind of bullsh!t frosting the FAA, Colleges or the Airlines put on it, it's simply an inferior "restricted" license and it implies something less than the professional Airline Transport Pilot or Commercial Pilot for that matter! The fact is, one is either an ATP or one is not!
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