FAR 117 Effect
08-27-2013, 11:27 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
Surely you can't be serious. Or perhaps you really do believe a non-spiritual person can't be a pilot in your eyes. Either way, this post is way off base
08-27-2013, 11:54 AM
#32
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FAR 117 Effect
If the company wants to take the "conservative route" and require pilots to be in domicile 10 hours prior to duty or forbid pilots from commuting altogether, then I have the solution: HOME BASING!!!! Lots of deadheading but it would fix fatigue issues entirely. (I realize it would never happen but one can dream, right?)
08-27-2013, 01:25 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
I was hoping it was but there are certain ways to display sarcasm, none of which caught my eye.
08-27-2013, 01:44 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by twebb
I think they need to define sleep opportunity.
If you need to have access to Suitable accommodations or an Rest Facility 10 hours prior to accepting an assignment, then no commuting before a flight.
When jumpseating or riding in the back you don't have;
Rest facility means a bunk or seat accommodation installed in an aircraft that provides a flightcrew member with a sleep opportunity.
or
Suitable accommodation means a temperature-controlled facility with sound mitigation and the ability to control light that provides a flightcrew member with the ability to sleep either in a bed, bunk or in a chair that allows for flat or near flat sleeping position. Suitable accommodation only applies to ground facilities and does not apply to aircraft onboard rest facilities.
I guess boeing is confused too...
"Boeing stated it has concerns about the use of the
phrase “sleep opportunity”
in
the definition. It noted that it considers a “slee
p opportunity” to be a period of time
during which sleep or rest can feasibly occur. Boe
ing suggested that the definition be
revised to read: “Rest facility means a bunk, seat,
room, or other accommodation that
provides a flightcrew member with comfort and quiet
so as to maximize sleep and rest
within a sleep opportunity period."
If you need to have access to Suitable accommodations or an Rest Facility 10 hours prior to accepting an assignment, then no commuting before a flight.
When jumpseating or riding in the back you don't have;
Rest facility means a bunk or seat accommodation installed in an aircraft that provides a flightcrew member with a sleep opportunity.
or
Suitable accommodation means a temperature-controlled facility with sound mitigation and the ability to control light that provides a flightcrew member with the ability to sleep either in a bed, bunk or in a chair that allows for flat or near flat sleeping position. Suitable accommodation only applies to ground facilities and does not apply to aircraft onboard rest facilities.
I guess boeing is confused too...
"Boeing stated it has concerns about the use of the
phrase “sleep opportunity”
in
the definition. It noted that it considers a “slee
p opportunity” to be a period of time
during which sleep or rest can feasibly occur. Boe
ing suggested that the definition be
revised to read: “Rest facility means a bunk, seat,
room, or other accommodation that
provides a flightcrew member with comfort and quiet
so as to maximize sleep and rest
within a sleep opportunity period."
also, It specifically says that their definition only applies to ground facilities. Therefore implying that the current definition/rules for wide body "bunks"...etc. will continue or they will specify a new definition/rules, so i'm sure boeing will be fine
08-27-2013, 02:27 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by grahamlax
Therefore implying that the current definition/rules for wide body "bunks"...etc. will continue or they will specify a new definition/rules, so i'm sure boeing will be fine
The reg has 3 categories for bunks and rest on the plane. Away from passengers or seats that recline so far back.
08-27-2013, 06:46 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by twebb
I think they need to define sleep opportunity.
If you need to have access to Suitable accommodations or an Rest Facility 10 hours prior to accepting an assignment, then no commuting before a flight.
When jumpseating or riding in the back you don't have;
Rest facility means a bunk or seat accommodation installed in an aircraft that provides a flightcrew member with a sleep opportunity.
or
Suitable accommodation means a temperature-controlled facility with sound mitigation and the ability to control light that provides a flightcrew member with the ability to sleep either in a bed, bunk or in a chair that allows for flat or near flat sleeping position. Suitable accommodation only applies to ground facilities and does not apply to aircraft onboard rest facilities.
I guess boeing is confused too...
"Boeing stated it has concerns about the use of the
phrase “sleep opportunity”
in
the definition. It noted that it considers a “slee
p opportunity” to be a period of time
during which sleep or rest can feasibly occur. Boe
ing suggested that the definition be
revised to read: “Rest facility means a bunk, seat,
room, or other accommodation that
provides a flightcrew member with comfort and quiet
so as to maximize sleep and rest
within a sleep opportunity period."
If you need to have access to Suitable accommodations or an Rest Facility 10 hours prior to accepting an assignment, then no commuting before a flight.
When jumpseating or riding in the back you don't have;
Rest facility means a bunk or seat accommodation installed in an aircraft that provides a flightcrew member with a sleep opportunity.
or
Suitable accommodation means a temperature-controlled facility with sound mitigation and the ability to control light that provides a flightcrew member with the ability to sleep either in a bed, bunk or in a chair that allows for flat or near flat sleeping position. Suitable accommodation only applies to ground facilities and does not apply to aircraft onboard rest facilities.
I guess boeing is confused too...
"Boeing stated it has concerns about the use of the
phrase “sleep opportunity”
in
the definition. It noted that it considers a “slee
p opportunity” to be a period of time
during which sleep or rest can feasibly occur. Boe
ing suggested that the definition be
revised to read: “Rest facility means a bunk, seat,
room, or other accommodation that
provides a flightcrew member with comfort and quiet
so as to maximize sleep and rest
within a sleep opportunity period."
08-27-2013, 07:03 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by twebb
I think they need to define sleep opportunity.
If you need to have access to Suitable accommodations or an Rest Facility 10 hours prior to accepting an assignment, then no commuting before a flight.
When jumpseating or riding in the back you don't have;
Rest facility means a bunk or seat accommodation installed in an aircraft that provides a flightcrew member with a sleep opportunity.
or
Suitable accommodation means a temperature-controlled facility with sound mitigation and the ability to control light that provides a flightcrew member with the ability to sleep either in a bed, bunk or in a chair that allows for flat or near flat sleeping position. Suitable accommodation only applies to ground facilities and does not apply to aircraft onboard rest facilities.
I guess boeing is confused too...
"Boeing stated it has concerns about the use of the
phrase “sleep opportunity”
in
the definition. It noted that it considers a “slee
p opportunity” to be a period of time
during which sleep or rest can feasibly occur. Boe
ing suggested that the definition be
revised to read: “Rest facility means a bunk, seat,
room, or other accommodation that
provides a flightcrew member with comfort and quiet
so as to maximize sleep and rest
within a sleep opportunity period."
If you need to have access to Suitable accommodations or an Rest Facility 10 hours prior to accepting an assignment, then no commuting before a flight.
When jumpseating or riding in the back you don't have;
Rest facility means a bunk or seat accommodation installed in an aircraft that provides a flightcrew member with a sleep opportunity.
or
Suitable accommodation means a temperature-controlled facility with sound mitigation and the ability to control light that provides a flightcrew member with the ability to sleep either in a bed, bunk or in a chair that allows for flat or near flat sleeping position. Suitable accommodation only applies to ground facilities and does not apply to aircraft onboard rest facilities.
I guess boeing is confused too...
"Boeing stated it has concerns about the use of the
phrase “sleep opportunity”
in
the definition. It noted that it considers a “slee
p opportunity” to be a period of time
during which sleep or rest can feasibly occur. Boe
ing suggested that the definition be
revised to read: “Rest facility means a bunk, seat,
room, or other accommodation that
provides a flightcrew member with comfort and quiet
so as to maximize sleep and rest
within a sleep opportunity period."
08-27-2013, 07:57 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Unless you live in the crew room, everyone commutes to work.
08-27-2013, 08:06 PM
#40
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Originally Posted by Around123
Looks Like same day commutes are over. Some crash pads will not be Suitable accommodations. What are you going to do? Move to base or use more of your time to commute?
A layover facility could be a suitable
accommodation if it meets the
definition of suitable accommodation
set out in § 117.3. A room that has
multiple reclining chairs with multiple
individuals resting could also be a
suitable accommodation if it meets the
suitable accommodation requirements
of § 117.3. The FAA emphasizes that the
definition of suitable accommodation in
§ 117.3 does not require that access to a
suitable accommodation be limited so
that only one person can use it at any
given time.
accommodation if it meets the
definition of suitable accommodation
set out in § 117.3. A room that has
multiple reclining chairs with multiple
individuals resting could also be a
suitable accommodation if it meets the
suitable accommodation requirements
of § 117.3. The FAA emphasizes that the
definition of suitable accommodation in
§ 117.3 does not require that access to a
suitable accommodation be limited so
that only one person can use it at any
given time.
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