Eagle increasing number of un commutable trip
10-19-2013 | 12:42 PM
#32
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Per diem should absolutely be included. I can't tell you how many FOs I fly with that eat out of their bag for the entire 4 day. I do a little bit of both. Everyone has to feed themselves somehowe yet most jobs don't pay you per diem to eat. Personally I put my per diem into a seperate account and cash it out. Haven't ran out of cash in the 15 yrs that I have been a pilot
10-19-2013 | 12:43 PM
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Oh the horror! I do everything I can to get jumpseaters on my plane but I feel no sympathy for commuters. It truly is a choice. Multiple people outside of the airline industry have had their jobs move multiple times. Many people in my family had to move 3+ times over their lifetime because their jobs changed.
Read my previous post, I just have to simply disagree your stance above, as well as what you've posted in the past about commuters.
But if it ever came down to it, and due to financials or family, or whatever else you found yourself commuting, you'd be welcome on my jumpseat ANYTIME.
And whilst you were b1tching/complaining/lamenting about it, I'd be right there 100% agreeing with you. But in my head I'd probably be thinking "awwwww pooooor bayyyyybeeeee. Now commuting and doesn't like it. He must be new to it".
10-19-2013 | 12:48 PM
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Below is a response that I posted to one of your "anti-commuter" posts:
It was pulled by a moderator because in addition to what you'll read below, I said used some less-than-diplomatic words in response to your previous post. Anyway, here it is:
So you're saying that one should just up and move to base? Never mind that the move could potentially cost hundreds of thousands of dollars depending on individual circumstances and location of that person's property? A large percentage of people in this country are upside down in their house.
Should they walk away and allow a foreclosure just to make you happy?
Jobs go away, you know. A pilot might have had a great job with an air ambulance company or a flight school (my instructor job made me just shy of $60K/ year) when suddenly they are without a job and the only one available might have been with some regional with the junior base on the other side of the country but has the possibility of being based closer to their home.
Should they move for 18 months just to make you happy?
What if you have children and want to keep them close to your family? They help out with things like watching the kids and running errands that would otherwise be cost-prohibitive.
Should they move away and go broke just to make you happy?
What about a divorcee who wouldn't see his/her kids very often even if they lived down the street?
Should that person move away and never see their kids just to make you happy?
What if a pilot also owns a business to make ends meet or is part of a family business that needs him/her on his/her days off in order to help out?
Should that person turn his back on what he/she has worked to build or turn his/her back on their family just to make you happy?
What if I live on land that my family homesteaded? No, not the housing loophole...actually homesteaded.
Should I give up my family legacy and history just to make you happy?
What if I'm a regional FO with a first-year W2 that showed $18,900 and I'm crashing in my parents basement because it's the only way I can keep the wolves away from my doorstep?
Should I move and risk bankruptcy just to make you happy?
What if I have a spouse that has a great paying job, but moving would reset her income to half (or less) of what she makes now?
Should we give up $30-$60 thousand a year just to make you happy?
What if I have an elderly parent who may not have much time left and I'm the only one available to visit?
Should I move across the country and abandon them just to make you happy?
What if I have a marriage that depends on my ability to commute?
Should I get a divorce and move just to make you happy?
You're correct in saying it's a choice, but for most commuters, the choice includes circumstances that are beyond their control, and force them to "choose" to commute. That is what we call life.
I bend over backward for commuters. I try to get them the best seat available, offer to let them board early because I know they've most likely been waiting at the gate for at least an hour, and that they are most likely at my gate because they've determined that my flight is either their best chance for getting home or is the only flight that gets them where they need to be in time; whether that is a report time or their daughter's kindergarten graduation. I also walk up the jetbridge and gently prod gate agents to do everything they can to accommodate commuters in the best possible manner. Doing these things doesn't cost me one thin dime and I, personally enjoy actually helping my fellow man, not to mention my colleagues.
Is it such a foreign concept to you to want to help someone else? Tim Russert used to say that the best exercise for the human heart is bending over to pick someone else up, and I couldn't agree more: It makes my day to do everything I can to make someone else's day.
You should try it some time...
It was pulled by a moderator because in addition to what you'll read below, I said used some less-than-diplomatic words in response to your previous post. Anyway, here it is:
So you're saying that one should just up and move to base? Never mind that the move could potentially cost hundreds of thousands of dollars depending on individual circumstances and location of that person's property? A large percentage of people in this country are upside down in their house.
Should they walk away and allow a foreclosure just to make you happy?
Jobs go away, you know. A pilot might have had a great job with an air ambulance company or a flight school (my instructor job made me just shy of $60K/ year) when suddenly they are without a job and the only one available might have been with some regional with the junior base on the other side of the country but has the possibility of being based closer to their home.
Should they move for 18 months just to make you happy?
What if you have children and want to keep them close to your family? They help out with things like watching the kids and running errands that would otherwise be cost-prohibitive.
Should they move away and go broke just to make you happy?
What about a divorcee who wouldn't see his/her kids very often even if they lived down the street?
Should that person move away and never see their kids just to make you happy?
What if a pilot also owns a business to make ends meet or is part of a family business that needs him/her on his/her days off in order to help out?
Should that person turn his back on what he/she has worked to build or turn his/her back on their family just to make you happy?
What if I live on land that my family homesteaded? No, not the housing loophole...actually homesteaded.
Should I give up my family legacy and history just to make you happy?
What if I'm a regional FO with a first-year W2 that showed $18,900 and I'm crashing in my parents basement because it's the only way I can keep the wolves away from my doorstep?
Should I move and risk bankruptcy just to make you happy?
What if I have a spouse that has a great paying job, but moving would reset her income to half (or less) of what she makes now?
Should we give up $30-$60 thousand a year just to make you happy?
What if I have an elderly parent who may not have much time left and I'm the only one available to visit?
Should I move across the country and abandon them just to make you happy?
What if I have a marriage that depends on my ability to commute?
Should I get a divorce and move just to make you happy?
You're correct in saying it's a choice, but for most commuters, the choice includes circumstances that are beyond their control, and force them to "choose" to commute. That is what we call life.
I bend over backward for commuters. I try to get them the best seat available, offer to let them board early because I know they've most likely been waiting at the gate for at least an hour, and that they are most likely at my gate because they've determined that my flight is either their best chance for getting home or is the only flight that gets them where they need to be in time; whether that is a report time or their daughter's kindergarten graduation. I also walk up the jetbridge and gently prod gate agents to do everything they can to accommodate commuters in the best possible manner. Doing these things doesn't cost me one thin dime and I, personally enjoy actually helping my fellow man, not to mention my colleagues.
Is it such a foreign concept to you to want to help someone else? Tim Russert used to say that the best exercise for the human heart is bending over to pick someone else up, and I couldn't agree more: It makes my day to do everything I can to make someone else's day.
You should try it some time...
10-19-2013 | 12:53 PM
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Oh the horror! I do everything I can to get jumpseaters on my plane but I feel no sympathy for commuters. It truly is a choice. Multiple people outside of the airline industry have had their jobs move multiple times. Many people in my family had to move 3+ times over their lifetime because their jobs changed.
10-19-2013 | 12:54 PM
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I don't carry a large cooler, just a small one that I can put lunch meat into, and a few slices of bread. I make the sandwiches as I go so they are always fresh.
I find it funny how people on this site with criticize people for saving money, but yet complain when someone is able to work to make more and save at the same time.
10-19-2013 | 12:54 PM
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Blanket statement, and one that is becoming less and less valid. Insert a regional airline that had insert domicile, then insert the times they've closed it, reopened, closed it, moved it, shrank it and displaced, then grew it back, than shrank it and displaced AGAIN, whatever.
10-19-2013 | 12:56 PM
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Blanket statement, and one that is becoming less and less valid. Insert a regional airline that had insert domicile, then insert the times they've closed it, reopened, closed it, moved it, shrank it and displaced, then grew it back, than shrank it and displaced AGAIN, whatever.
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