skyhigh127

Where are you at 2013?

a. Below
b. At
c. Above (and if so by how much)

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2013 Federal Poverty Guidelines


48 Contiguous States and DC

Note: The 100% column shows the federal poverty level for each family size, and the percentage columns that follow respresent income levels that are commonly used as guidelines for health programs.





Source: Calculations by Families USA based on data from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services



Questions:


1. For a 4 year college graduate - should poverty level even be a part
of the coversation? 2013 average college 4-year degree graduates
is stated at................................................ ....45,000 $ per year

2. For a 4 year college graduate + additional schooling such as a
master degree, dental school, law school, pharmacy, accounting
or aviation, where additional income (example 25,000$) above and
beyond a 4 year college graduate average pay for 2013 (45,000$)
is added to it (example 45,000 $ + 25,000 $ = 70,000$), should
poverty level even be a part of the conversation?

3. For a 4 year college graduate + additional school + 6-8 months of
travel time on the road (extensive travel time, per diem, etc
can easily add to 15,000 $ per year) can equal to the following:
45,000-4 year degree +25,000 additional schooling +15,000 travel pay
which equals to a grand total of............................85,000 $. For
this scenario should poverty level even be a part of the converstaion?



For all 3 scenarios (1-3), Poverty Level should not even be a conversation topic or any party of the scenario. But is is our industry of
aviation !


Would love to see where everybody is at and your thoughts, thanks !


Here is the link to see the info and breakdown better:

Federal Poverty Guidelines

sulkair

Hmm. Not sure this thread is gonna live to see another day.

I want to play because I would like for you to know how miserable it is for me, but then I'll be depressed and feel really dumb when someone with my same longevity from XJT or Skywest shares their percentage.

And... If anyone really cares, they can look up all the pay rates on APC.

This question might work better as a poll.

rcfd13

300% on 2nd year FO pay. I doubt anyone on here is below 100% unless they're a single dad with 4 kids at great lakes.

sulkair

I told you I'd be depressed. 150% 10 year FO family of 4

rcfd13

Unless you're at Horizon why are you a 10 year FO? I assume you could have upgraded by now?

Skypilotsv1984

10 yr FOs are becoming fairly common.

Toonces

I'll start off by saying that I agree, poverty level should not be a part of the conversation. Overall starting pay in every section of this industry is too low. However, $85,000 is not reasonable. Neither is $50,000 - but it's a lot closer. The lower starting pay is truly offset by the higher earning potential. Additionally, $85,000 is alot to pay to an unproven commodity. Unfortunately, the seniority system of virtually every airline will keep it the same for a long time.

Jet87

Meessssaaaaaa.... I'm sure he'll have an 175 upgrade quickly

sulkair

Jet87 is correct. I'm a downgrade.

lakehouse

if only you could factor in student loan debt....