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Bzzt 12-14-2013 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 1539956)
I was wondering the same thing. I was also wondering why you don't get any credit for the Sat. in BVT. Do you not have any kind of min. day credit?

Most regionals dont

CarolinaAngler 12-14-2013 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 1539956)
I was wondering the same thing. I was also wondering why you don't get any credit for the Sat. in BVT. Do you not have any kind of min. day credit?

We have a 4 hour min day, but for some reason they only show it in our payroll software. It hurts us that it is not in the trip credit because it basically forces us to work more. Needless to say I am very disappointed in 117.

Cruz5350 12-14-2013 04:42 PM

This is why there is so much more to contracts than just hourly rates. Thankfully QX has trip rigs or I'd be crediting about 3 hours less on this trip.

Bartender 12-14-2013 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by CarolinaAngler (Post 1539961)
We have a 4 hour min day, but for some reason they only show it in our payroll software. It hurts us that it is not in the trip credit because it basically forces us to work more. Needless to say I am very disappointed in 117.

Got it. How come it shows less credit than block time?

bernouli 12-14-2013 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1539959)
Most regionals dont

Gojet does. 4 hours.

For a calendar day though. So let's say you are scheduled to block in on a Monday night at 23:46. Add 15 minutes of 'debrief' time to that it becomes 0001 on Tuesday. That counts as having worked on Tuesday and the 4 hours doesn't get applied. Even if you block in early payroll would deny it because it was 'scheduled' to be that way.

Needless to say, a lot of days finish at or after 2346 when followed by an extended overnight.

A pilot would get 4 hours of credit for the time spent in btv in the above example though.

CarolinaAngler 12-14-2013 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 1539965)
Got it. How come it shows less credit than block time?

We have leg values that the company uses for credit but for some reason the average block times don't match the leg values. We are paid leg value or better and its usually a little bit more than scheduled.

Cruz5350 12-14-2013 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 1539967)
Gojet does. 4 hours.

For a calendar day though. So let's say you are scheduled to block in on a Monday night at 23:46. Add 15 minutes of 'debrief' time to that it becomes 0001 on Tuesday. That counts as having worked on Tuesday and the 4 hours doesn't get applied. Even if you block in early payroll would deny it because it was 'scheduled' to be that way.

Needless to say, a lot of days finish at or after 2346 when followed by an extended overnight.

A pilot would get 4 hours of credit for the time spent in btv in the above example though.

That's just a min daily credit a lot of regionals have that I think people are referring to trip rigs which apparently a lot don't have.

Beechnut58 12-14-2013 06:11 PM

At ZW I got 16 days off. And the last 8 days of the month off so should be able to pick up a 4 day easily at time and a half and credit well over 100 hours and still have 12+ days at home. I'm pleased so far

MEMbrain 12-14-2013 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 1539845)
Yes this job just took another big nose dive into the suck category, why anybody would consider "airline pilot" as a career option is beyond me.


Funny, last year, you commuter pilots were crying for these new rest regs. You got what you wished for! :D:eek:

lowflying 12-14-2013 08:05 PM

Horizon has been using most of part 117 rules to build trips for some time now. Our scheduling committee actually builds the trips and lines for the pilots. Even though we haven't had scheduled short overnights for a long time we are still seeing more 30hr overnights popping up. For those of you who had scheduled 8-10 hour overnights and no TAFB rigs your average pay per day is probably going to go down a bit. :(

If the schedule builders at your airlines didn't spend much time playing around with the new rules then they are going to produce some cra**y trips. However, once they have a little time to play around and tweak the trips there will most likely be some improvements.


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