Outstanding ALPA Leadership for Regionals
12-31-2013, 04:24 PM
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Packrat, it's time you face some hard realities. Yes, MEC's and NC's negotiate...but the do so with the financial axe of ALPA over their heads. If you don't take the deal ALPA wants you to take as they watch the $$ flow to the process, you get the "take the deal and go sell it to your people or we will have to "rethink" how we fund your MEC and commitees" speech. Don't waste your time telling me it doesn't happen, I've heard it face to face since the term of Hank Duffy. Just like he did when he rolled over on pee testing. What you don't understand is that no MEC or NC has any real power in terms of a contract. If you LOOK at the charter, you'll find that ALPA has the bargaining rights for every carrier. The Presidents signature isn't a "photo op"...he's the only one who can accept or reject a deal. And if he so chose, he could direct the negotiations and present the deal to a pilot group. To save the firestorm and keep the masses silent, he doesn't...but he DOES send "experts" to "assist." Unless you are a legacy with deep pockets that feed the ALPA coffers. Then you can go outside and hire your own and keep people like Cohen, Weiss and Surrender FAR away. (Which is a damn shame, because in the old days old man Weiss would have told folks like Prater and Moak where to shove it...but that's a different story)
You took a "no strike" clause for pay stability? You sold your only leverage for any future gowth or increases for stability? Do you understand what you gave up? And what you did to the rest of the industry by agreeing to that precedent? Even better, you bought into the ALPA line about that. A line they came up with because they didn't want to bear the cost of a potential strike or member assessments. Heaven forbid we stand like men...let's just take the crumbs and hope for a better day.
ALPA has been viewed for the past 30 years as a paper tiger in DC. The last time anyone who was an ALPA carrier showed a set was at EAL when they stood up for the industry against Lorenzo. And they got sold down the river when the DAL pilots complained to Duffy about having to pay strike assessments to their ATL competition...so Duffy sent his ExAdmin Randy Babbitt; an EAL pilot and SON of one of an EAL pilot...to tell the EAL guys that it was, "time to cut the burning lifeboats loose." ALPA protecting ALPA. Trade unionism meant nothing from that day forward.
Every so called strike since then was for a carriers self interest...not the industry. IF ALPA had any serious direction, they would have been lockstep on every carrier that has gone on strike; regional and legacy. Never happened. Babbitt was once asked by a senior UAL Captain if he knew why he was elected. He said, "to represent you in DC." The Captain said, "No, we elected your A** to go to stand up to a judge and go to jail for us." You never saw a guy leave a meeting so fast.
Prater was a joke who openly said he had "Potomac fever" and was stupid enough to believe that it would lead to a cushy K Street (Lobbyist) job. Moak knew better. His K Street job was in the bag BEFORE he got elected. His job at DALPA and now at National was to help dismantle the regionals. He's doing a damn fine job and his minders are thrilled. He'll be fine and won't think twice of you as he waltzes out the door as Mass. Avenue to his new gig.
The GOOD staffers at ALPA...the unionized folks who really care and have done the work for all pilots over the years...have been brutalized. All the way up and down the chain, they see the end coming soon.
You took a "no strike" clause for pay stability? You sold your only leverage for any future gowth or increases for stability? Do you understand what you gave up? And what you did to the rest of the industry by agreeing to that precedent? Even better, you bought into the ALPA line about that. A line they came up with because they didn't want to bear the cost of a potential strike or member assessments. Heaven forbid we stand like men...let's just take the crumbs and hope for a better day.
ALPA has been viewed for the past 30 years as a paper tiger in DC. The last time anyone who was an ALPA carrier showed a set was at EAL when they stood up for the industry against Lorenzo. And they got sold down the river when the DAL pilots complained to Duffy about having to pay strike assessments to their ATL competition...so Duffy sent his ExAdmin Randy Babbitt; an EAL pilot and SON of one of an EAL pilot...to tell the EAL guys that it was, "time to cut the burning lifeboats loose." ALPA protecting ALPA. Trade unionism meant nothing from that day forward.
Every so called strike since then was for a carriers self interest...not the industry. IF ALPA had any serious direction, they would have been lockstep on every carrier that has gone on strike; regional and legacy. Never happened. Babbitt was once asked by a senior UAL Captain if he knew why he was elected. He said, "to represent you in DC." The Captain said, "No, we elected your A** to go to stand up to a judge and go to jail for us." You never saw a guy leave a meeting so fast.
Prater was a joke who openly said he had "Potomac fever" and was stupid enough to believe that it would lead to a cushy K Street (Lobbyist) job. Moak knew better. His K Street job was in the bag BEFORE he got elected. His job at DALPA and now at National was to help dismantle the regionals. He's doing a damn fine job and his minders are thrilled. He'll be fine and won't think twice of you as he waltzes out the door as Mass. Avenue to his new gig.
The GOOD staffers at ALPA...the unionized folks who really care and have done the work for all pilots over the years...have been brutalized. All the way up and down the chain, they see the end coming soon.
Need to give a tip of the hat to you regional guys. You've spotted the problem correctly. And you further spot the folks like Packrat as self-serving ALPA national wannabes only interested in fostering fear, uncertainty and doubt.
To Packrat and the other ALPA shills, doesn't it surprise you how often your beloved ALPA is so misunderstood by so many?
Carl
01-01-2014, 06:21 AM
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Lee Moak's letter to the Eagle pilots told me all I need to know about his administration's view of regional pilots. I don't think I misunderstood it. Since no one at Nat'l in a leadership position spoke out against it, I'm left to assume that it is their position as well.
01-01-2014, 07:06 AM
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I'm not trying to pick a internet karate fight with you or insult you..I just want to understand what the basis for your position is..
01-01-2014, 09:50 AM
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Moak's letter to Eagle pilots showed exactly where he stands on the subject. He wants a pattern bargaining strategy of concessions for every regional out there. He probably thinks saving mainline some bucks will eventually be returned to mainline pilots but he's doing it at the expense of every regional pilot out there. There's clearly a conflict of interest here. But why not try to get better compensation for regional pilots AND put financial pressure on mainline to put larger "RJs" in house where they belong? Negotiating crap contracts that have a myriad of concessions and 10+ year duration at a time when regionals need pilots more than ever is BS. PSA took the low road but they're a relatively small airline and hopefully it stops there. If AA gets a very large regional to accept a concessionary contract, then the dominoes will fall. Stand strong and stand united. Unfortunately, we can't count on national to do anything. We need a change of leadership. We need someone who has a strategy that doesn't involve sending letters to pilot groups telling them taking concessions isn't so bad.
01-01-2014, 10:29 AM
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There will always be the 10%ers who think they know everything when they are obviously operating on hearsay or have an agenda.
After all, you have zero idea whether their claims of MEC officership are valid. Its and Internet web board. And everyone knows EVERYTHING on the Internet is true.
"Bonjour!"
01-01-2014, 10:44 AM
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"The parent company of American Airlines, which is in the midst of a federal lawsuit seeking to block its proposed merger with US Airways, posted a profit of $289 million in the third quarter, the second profitable quarter in a row for the airline"
-USA Today Oct 17 2013
That is a quote regarding the 2013 Q3 results. How can they possibly ask for concessions when they are making $289,000,000 dollars over 3 months?? Let that number sink in. What a bunch of greedy a$$ holes in management. It's disgraceful that they have the nerve to ask Eagle to take a concession. I'm offended and I don't even work there. If anyone takes a concession right now then there is no hope. Vote NO!! I'll do the same for any concession here at SkyWest. Rumors are we are about to get offered raises.
-USA Today Oct 17 2013
That is a quote regarding the 2013 Q3 results. How can they possibly ask for concessions when they are making $289,000,000 dollars over 3 months?? Let that number sink in. What a bunch of greedy a$$ holes in management. It's disgraceful that they have the nerve to ask Eagle to take a concession. I'm offended and I don't even work there. If anyone takes a concession right now then there is no hope. Vote NO!! I'll do the same for any concession here at SkyWest. Rumors are we are about to get offered raises.
01-01-2014, 12:19 PM
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No, what you have is two or three sourpusses who misrepresent THEIR experience and post a bunch of B.S. about what they THINK National is up to.
There will always be the 10%ers who think they know everything when they are obviously operating on hearsay or have an agenda.
After all, you have zero idea whether their claims of MEC officership are valid. Its and Internet web board. And everyone knows EVERYTHING on the Internet is true.
"Bonjour!"
There will always be the 10%ers who think they know everything when they are obviously operating on hearsay or have an agenda.
After all, you have zero idea whether their claims of MEC officership are valid. Its and Internet web board. And everyone knows EVERYTHING on the Internet is true.
"Bonjour!"
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