Don't forget the 85% of yes voters at 9E and 60% at PSA are to blame as well...

 

President Obama and Lee Moak are not responsible. You are right. Other people are responsible.

Lee Moak gets what he wants. He pulled all the stops at Eagle to get them to buy concessions when they are no pilots to hire.

Then he got PSA to buy this unthinkable deal.

Don't insult us with Captain Moak is not to blame. He should be banding the regional pilots together to ensure $50,000/yr is the minimum starting pay for flying a 50 seat jet.

President Moak works for management. Plain and simple.

Show us where he ever says the concessions extorted in Chapter 11 are no longer necessary.

You have yours and you have pulled up the ladder.

 

I'm assuming you're responding to me. I agree, Moak is worthless to regional pilots (honestly, to all pilots). He is fostering good relationships between management and pilots, at the expense of pilots. He tries to act neutral, but his actions are negative to pilots. We're in agreement there.

At the same time, it isn't his job to help MECs through the negotiations process. He's far above basic management of his airlines' MECs. He's too busy furthering his political agenda on Capitol Hill. Further, no one at national assumes that managerial type role to each MEC. The MECs operate as I described above (cities; federal government).

I haven't pulled the ladder up on anyone, as I'm still climbing it. I've been in the industry nearly 10 years at the regional level, and spent an eighth of that in the left seat. I'm concerned with raising the bar, and outing those individuals at select airlines who have greedily and stupidly set our industry even further back in a time of prosper at the major airlines.

Moak and the other morons at National aren't directly to blame for these agreements. Sure, they should have stepped in when concessions were put on the table, but the Negotiating Committees and MEC entertained, and agreed to these concessions. Just because no one told them not to isn't a valid excuse. These are adults, who have been entrusted to make wise choices (on their own accord) on behalf of their pilots. They did not do that. Instead, they have done them (and all of us) a great disservice by acting foolishly.

 

Ya, again, I know this.
My gripes with local and National are separate and unique to each. It's just easier to curse the whole lot in one breath when one is making a general gripe.

 

actually it is nationals fault. if they see the mec is doing harm to the profession then it is there duty to step in to stop it but they don't they are on the other side. ALPA MOTO never fight for anything as long as we keep dues coming.

 

Packrat, it's time you face some hard realities. Yes, MEC's and NC's negotiate...but the do so with the financial axe of ALPA over their heads. If you don't take the deal ALPA wants you to take as they watch the $$ flow to the process, you get the "take the deal and go sell it to your people or we will have to "rethink" how we fund your MEC and commitees" speech. Don't waste your time telling me it doesn't happen, I've heard it face to face since the term of Hank Duffy. Just like he did when he rolled over on pee testing. What you don't understand is that no MEC or NC has any real power in terms of a contract. If you LOOK at the charter, you'll find that ALPA has the bargaining rights for every carrier. The Presidents signature isn't a "photo op"...he's the only one who can accept or reject a deal. And if he so chose, he could direct the negotiations and present the deal to a pilot group. To save the firestorm and keep the masses silent, he doesn't...but he DOES send "experts" to "assist." Unless you are a legacy with deep pockets that feed the ALPA coffers. Then you can go outside and hire your own and keep people like Cohen, Weiss and Surrender FAR away. (Which is a damn shame, because in the old days old man Weiss would have told folks like Prater and Moak where to shove it...but that's a different story)

You took a "no strike" clause for pay stability? You sold your only leverage for any future gowth or increases for stability? Do you understand what you gave up? And what you did to the rest of the industry by agreeing to that precedent? Even better, you bought into the ALPA line about that. A line they came up with because they didn't want to bear the cost of a potential strike or member assessments. Heaven forbid we stand like men...let's just take the crumbs and hope for a better day.

ALPA has been viewed for the past 30 years as a paper tiger in DC. The last time anyone who was an ALPA carrier showed a set was at EAL when they stood up for the industry against Lorenzo. And they got sold down the river when the DAL pilots complained to Duffy about having to pay strike assessments to their ATL competition...so Duffy sent his ExAdmin Randy Babbitt; an EAL pilot and SON of one of an EAL pilot...to tell the EAL guys that it was, "time to cut the burning lifeboats loose." ALPA protecting ALPA. Trade unionism meant nothing from that day forward.

Every so called strike since then was for a carriers self interest...not the industry. IF ALPA had any serious direction, they would have been lockstep on every carrier that has gone on strike; regional and legacy. Never happened. Babbitt was once asked by a senior UAL Captain if he knew why he was elected. He said, "to represent you in DC." The Captain said, "No, we elected your A** to go to stand up to a judge and go to jail for us." You never saw a guy leave a meeting so fast.

Prater was a joke who openly said he had "Potomac fever" and was stupid enough to believe that it would lead to a cushy K Street (Lobbyist) job. Moak knew better. His K Street job was in the bag BEFORE he got elected. His job at DALPA and now at National was to help dismantle the regionals. He's doing a damn fine job and his minders are thrilled. He'll be fine and won't think twice of you as he waltzes out the door as Mass. Avenue to his new gig.

The GOOD staffers at ALPA...the unionized folks who really care and have done the work for all pilots over the years...have been brutalized. All the way up and down the chain, they see the end coming soon.

 

WOW.....Sticky this.

Nicely done.

 

Very nicely said

 

That doesn't make much sense, considering the number of major pilots belonging to ALPA currently exceeds the number of regional pilots belonging to ALPA.

 

So Moak went to all the PSA road shows then? He influenced the majority of PSA pilots to vote YES? Oh, do tell how. Please.