Originally Posted by PCL_128

Yeah, great idea. Waste the next 12 years of your life like the TWA pilots did, and only come out with a few thousand dollars each at the end (if you're really, really lucky). I'm sure that will yield better results than actually working to make ALPA better.

Originally Posted by Captain Tony

Replace Moak? Meet the new boss... same as the old boss.

Originally Posted by JungleBus

You're telling me that every single member of the ALPA BOD is in lockstep with Moak and, if they vote him out, will replace him with someone who believes in the same philosophy? If that were true, I would say the vast majority of airline pilots must believe the same way, since they obviously only elect reps who believe the same way. In which case ALPA or non-ALPA wouldn't make any difference whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Captain Tony

Every ALPA president since Babbitt and after has been the same. Moak however has been particularly bad (what do you expect when you elect an ex-mil DAL pilot?). So I have zero confidence that the BOD will see the light. As a BOD member who has voted in two elections, I'm here to tell you that unless you've been in the plenary session and ran the hospitality suites, you have no idea what the politics are like.

Originally Posted by PCL_128

The way ALPA is structured, there is no conflict. Local MECs make their own decisions, and ALPA is only a resource provider.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound

That's scary.

Originally Posted by Captain Tony

That's all you got? A cheap insult? Ya ok cowboy.
I'm so impressed with your mud slinging on an anonymous forum.

Tell us about your inside ALPA experience.

Originally Posted by Adlerdriver

Yes. It is stupid to have the same union represent mainline pilots and the regional pilots who fly as contractors for the same mainline. Their interests and careers are completely at odds. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to come to that conclusion. So, I ask you:

Who came first? If you look back far enough, which ALPA represented airlines do you see in the history books? Delta? United? or was it Air Wisconsin, Expressjet and Mesa? Do the pilots at an airline vote in a union or does the union force themselves on the pilots?

Who took the crappy stepping stone job hoping to get to the mainline job? You're now going to sue the union YOU voted to represent you because you expected unrealistic results?

Any idiot can see the interests of mainline ALPA and regional ALPA are at odds. Who should be responsible for recognizing that reality and voting down a union who can't adequately represent their pilot group? You (the one with the vote) or the union you ASKED to do the job?

If ALPA had turned your pilot group down for representation on the grounds of conflict of interest, you'd probably be whining for a lawsuit because they refused to represent you. Typical.