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Old 01-25-2014 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Chupacabras
After all, if they charge us for a service and fail to provide in good faith, and if careers and paychecks are affected, wouldn't there be a case? There apparently was for TWA pilots.
Sure, it's just extremely hard to prove. It takes a lot of leg-work, time, and good evidence. Much of the evidence, while "real", would be easily dismissed or offset by something the union's lawyers will counter with. I don't know if it would really be worth it to "sue" the union, would be very costly and possibly not very productive.
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Old 01-25-2014 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
All I have to say about this is that if ALPA wasn't worried about a lawsuit, they wouldn't have all their lackeys on here telling you what a stupid waste of time it is, they'd be laughing and saying "go for it, see you in court". It looks like you might have a case based on the reactions here, especially PCL, who is an ALPA EVP.
I've never claimed to be an EVP. Believe whatever you want about that. But I can assure you of this: if Moak was sending out "lackeys," I'd be the last person he'd pick. We couldn't agree on what to order on a pizza, let alone the direction of the union.
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Old 01-26-2014 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 10SNE1
If I was on a jury and a plaintiff (regional pilots) said the defendant (ALPA) wasn't representing them adequately and the plaintiff stated what their compensation is (crap salary for loads of responsibility), that would be enough for me to side with the plaintiff. That's proof enough for me.
And how would one quantify that? From day one at their regional? Based on what wages?

Brady settled out of court for good reason. The legal bills had piled up over the years, and even though a jury found ALPA guilty of DFR(good luck on defending that) Brady and his attorneys knew they weren't going to get anywhere near $500 mil, let alone the ridiculous $1.2 bil pie in the sky grab they were going for.
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Old 01-26-2014 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PCL_128
The way ALPA is structured, there is no conflict. Local MECs make their own decisions, and ALPA is only a resource provider.
Exactly correct.

Originally Posted by block30
Thank you Adler, 80kts, Junglebus, and PCL128. I am quite frustrated and baffled at the regional concessions wave, but I think you all bring up good points. It is easy to fall into a mob mentality at this time.
Perhaps the "mob" should look to their own MEC and then look in the mirror.

They negotiated your contract and you ratified it. No one continues to force you to work for a company that provides substandard pay and benefits.

Pilots are their own worst enemies.
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Old 01-26-2014 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by PCL_128
I've never claimed to be an EVP. Believe whatever you want about that. But I can assure you of this: if Moak was sending out "lackeys," I'd be the last person he'd pick. We couldn't agree on what to order on a pizza, let alone the direction of the union.
What? Your name is Todd and you are (were) an EVP. Everyone here knows this. Stop lying.
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Old 01-26-2014 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
There's no bias from your point of view, either.

The fact is that most regional ALPA units are subsidized by the major carriers (fdx, dal, ual) and are cash negative all things considered. That's was the whole push for Delta to leave ALPA with the DPA movement since they felt they were serving the regional units and looking after them and not mainline.

If both sides of the equation think the entity is biased toward the other, it's probably more fair than you think.
If the regionals are subsidized does this mean that the mainline pilots or ALPA do not need to uphold agreements in place and should be equal regardless of majors or regionals? Not saying I like the way Comair tried doing things but it seems funny how ALPA's merger or seniority policy got convoluted and not very favorable to the Comair pilots. Another agreement in place with Mesaba pilots flow to NWA. Like flows or not it was an agreement that an ALPA carrier had. After DAL NWA merger ALPA chose not to honor or enforce that agreement except only for a handful. I doubt the merger would have gone as well as it did had DAL and DALPA only allowed a handful of NWA pilots to continue working at DAL. At least they would have the Mccaskill Bond amendment to protect their jobs anyway.

So what do you define as fair? You may be right that depending on which side of the fence your on and being biased. Maybe I should not be so biased but I am.
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Old 01-26-2014 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Exactly correct.



Perhaps the "mob" should look to their own MEC and then look in the mirror.

They negotiated your contract and you ratified it. No one continues to force you to work for a company that provides substandard pay and benefits.

Pilots are their own worst enemies.
The "if you don't like it, quit" notion I think is often too simplistic. How about good people stay and fight?

The regional industry is so large, and so often the pathway to the LCCs and majors, that avoiding the regionals is hard. I personally can't think of one child of a major/LCC pilot who didn't go to a regional ASAP in order to follow in their parent's footsteps. I tried to avoid the regionals at first. Then I started to feel all I was doing was getting behind everyone else.

Finally, I will say the equipment and safety practices at regionals are generally superior..I realize this isnt the most solid argument, but commercial/professional pilot doesn't make the top deadliest jobs every year because airline pilots are crashing and dying...its the part 91/135 guys.
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Old 01-26-2014 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
What? Your name is Todd and you are (were) an EVP. Everyone here knows this. Stop lying.
Whatever you say.
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Old 01-27-2014 | 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by PCL_128
Whatever you say.
You just lost all credibility. Everyone knows who you are.
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Old 01-27-2014 | 06:47 AM
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Instead of suing, maybe you should have had some self respect and voted NO.

Just a thought.
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