No, I never said they need to pay less to see better returns. But it does add to the bottom line. Pilot compensation is a very small piece of company expenses. I never once implied pilots or other employee groups should take cuts to buy planes. But to say they don't have fiduciary responsibility is not understanding the meaning of it.

Secondly, regarding public vs. private:

American Airlines Group Inc - AAL - Stock Quotes

"American Airlines Group Inc., formerly AMR Corporation, operates in the airline industry. The Company's principal subsidiary is American Airlines, Inc. (American). As of December 31, 2011, American provided scheduled jet service to approximately 160 destinations throughout North America, the Caribbean, Latin America, Europe and Asia. AMR Eagle Holding Corporation (AMR Eagle), a wholly owned subsidiary of the Company, owns two regional airlines, which do business as American Eagle-American Eagle Airlines, Inc. and Executive Airlines, Inc. (collectively, the American Eagle carriers). American also contracts with an independently owned regional airline, which does business as AmericanConnection (the AmericanConnection carrier). As of December 31, 2011, AMR Eagle operated approximately 1,500 daily departures, offering scheduled passenger service to over 175 destinations in North America, Mexico and the Caribbean."

 

Management is not going to make a decision based on $100s of millions, for a contract that is only going to save them a couple of million dollars. The airplanes will go to whomever Management has already decided to give them to. Stay the course, don't give in!!!! Don't cut the legs out from underneath our XJT/ASA brothers and sisters!!!!

 

THIS. I actually don't blame management one bit for asking for givebacks. If you have are dealing with a cadre of saps and pushovers who are salivating over mini 737s, why not see what you can get?

VOTE NO

 

I hope this is true and you all vote this down. A 190 mainline order is better than a regional 175 order. We need to get the flying back to mainline. Vote it down, then you can come to mainline to fly the 190.

 

Yeah it's so easy to get a job at a mainline why doesn't everyone do that?

 

Yeah, your job is just sitting there waiting for you at AA. And AA management is going to have all the Envoy guys step right to the front of the line after refusing these concessions... ??

We all know this is probably the best direction for the future value of all careers, but the pathway is the problem. No one has the pathway figured out, and management wants to make us all pay for it. So the big jets are coming, but how is career improvement going to come with them?

 

what a texasjerk, must be on the bottom of reserve.

 

No worries. With all the retirements kicking in and Delta, United, SW, Spirit, etc. hiring, then there will be a place for you to go even if AA blacklists you.

 

I doubt AA will blacklist anyone. GoJet pilots get hired, Mesa, Trans States, etc. The only airline that may blackball you is Hawaiian and that's if you fly for Go!

Edit: I also find it funny you even bring up such a notion. If we vote this in AA will be so mad they'll never hire us but on the flip side if we vote no and we're on the street APA won't be riding in to save the day and offer us all jobs.

 

What are you smoking? No management on the planet has ever gone to jail "(i.e. Enron)" for not forcing paycuts down their employees throats! Seriously, fiduciary duty to cut the pay of employees of a hugely profitable company with multiple billions in the bank???

The Enron debacle had NOTHING to do with paycuts for employees...