141 = private, instrument, commercial, ATP, CFI, CFII, MEI

142 = allows for type ratings (+ ATP as an add on) in a full flight simulator, not the actual aircraft)

 

A 142 program is specifically approved by the FAA. There are some private, commercial, inst 142 programs that have lower mins than 141.

 

Comparing 141 and 142 is like comparing apples to oranges.

 

Yes and no. I've known 142 programs that operated almost exactly like 141, and the "requirement" for 142 is quite low, you just need 1 level 6 FTD, which is not the intent of 142. The intent is to provide training via level C and D sims.

The intention was to allow for airline-type training (ATP, type ratings, etc) outside of approved training programs for individual air carriers.

 

A 142 course would be like getting a CE-525 type rating at CAE or FSI. They are part 142 schools.

 

The sim costs in the article are wildly inflated.

No one is going to be buying simulators for this training, let alone setting up sim facilities. Instead this will be an opportunity to get some use out of sims that are otherwise collecting dust. Fokker, early generation 737, antiquated corporate big iron; there is a long list of sims that are underutilized.

The cost will be less than half the quoted figure. My bet is way less than half. These programs are going to be the Wendy's chili of the flight training industry -- assemble from the leftovers, post it on the value menu.

 

142 schools use sims is easy way to think of it. Think Flight Safety or Simuflite.

And heavy aircraft are >300,000 pounds for takeoff. No requirement for that under this reg.

 

I'll remember you said this.....

 

I can think of at least two underutilized 727 sims which go for 170/hour... Seems like with our dwindling 727 fleet these would be a natural fit for this reg... Not to mention giving "modern" pilots some hands on systems training without any training wheels.

 

The point I was originally trying to make.....

New Training Rule To Cost Upcoming ATPs Thousands of Dollars | Aviation International News

Simuflite and FSI are already the leaders in the business.....they already have the staff, the classrooms, the simulators, the regulatory paperwork, etc. in place to meet the 30hr ground and 10hr flight requirements.....they also have the FAA approval and can easily get any approval required because the FAA is already onsite on a daily basis. In DFW, the FAA has a brand new building and an entire staff of aviation safety inspectors (formerly at the FTW flight standards office) dedicated to nothing but part 142 oversight among the local training centers......an entire building full of inspectors!! Each and every aircraft requiring a type rating or specific training (ie: King Air 200) has its own "group" of safety inspectors. I promise 142 training centers will be the "go to" facilities for this training in the future. Sorry to disappoint, but come August, passing an ATP ride will not as easy as booking some heavy sim time and flying to the required standards.