I have never seen an engineering diagram (flow chart) on how you get paid.

 

Look closer. On the E175, it's stagnant. Basically, they have the E170 rates go up until at DOS+4 the E170 rate is the same as the E175 rate.

 

I'm a YES vote

 

Care to explain your reasoning, or is my sarcasm detector out of calibration?

 

No, no sarcasm here.
Is the ta utipia? NO! Is RAH Delta? NO!
Signing bonus blows. Good things, bad things.
If we vote no, how much longer will we have to wait for something else? 6 months, 12 months? All the while the ibt357 will continue to STEAL my money in the guise of an assessment. I get it though as those trips to Jackson Hole don't pay for themselves. I am most surely a YES vote!

 

Its cute you think the assessment will stop if we vote this in. The union will keep taking your money, only youll have no hope of a decent contract ever again. Now or never for rah pilots. I hope very feware as short sighted and ignorant as you seem to be.

 

I can't help thinking about forests and trees... and 6 months vs. the length of a contract that seems to cross 10 years here typically. If you're concerned about people "stealing" your money, if the IBT is taking pennies the company has been wonderfully consistent at going for far higher denominations from your back pocket. I really don't care where the negotiations happen and you shouldn't either, and as for the signing bonus - sure it's not good, but that's not even the tip of the iceberg - that should be the least of your real concerns. I'm concerned about the end result, and the bad outweighs the good by an order of merit or more. Happy voting.

 

You realize you just basically said "it's something to vote on so I'm voting for it." By your rationale, you're voting yes no matter the content of the contract.

 

Utipia? Is that when UltiPro works perfectly?

Signing bonus needs to be above what they are giving to the new hires off the street. Period.

And? I'm willing to send this back to the Company to get it fixed. This will easily be a seven year contract, if not ten. I get we are not going to have a mainline contract, but at the end of the day, my paycheck needs to be slightly higher than what SkyWest is making now.

Right now this contract doesn't even cover the inflation from the 2003 CBA.

The Company is desperate to get this contract done. They'll be just as desperate after we vote this one down.

I'd rather wait six months to a year for a decent contract to work under for the next seven years than start a crappy contract tomorrow.

We pay the least amount of dues than any other unionized carrier. If you feel that is too much, you can resign your union membership at any time.
How can I resign my union membership? | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation

Of course, after you do that you don't get to vote yes, or no, on any contract, LOA, etc.

 

Hopefully, y'all are having some good, dispassionate discussions about this in the crew lounges, cockpits and hotel bars. Pilots are generally pretty smart people who do some pretty stupid things, even when they probably know better. "Career-Get-There-Itis"......

-------> Look for the "Weasel-Words". For every clause, think how it will work out in the "fly it, then grieve it" world we live in. If it is an improvement for you, be damn sure that it is airtight. Front to back, sideways, inside-out and backwards.

And..... like XJT, EGL, etc: why is the company finally motivated to get this done, quickly???