This is true, why would management after saying pass this or get shut down, have they kept coming back. Why is they have other feeders for the aircraft have they not made the announcement of the deal, would this not scare the eagle pilots to capitulate?

They make threats everyday to the pilots and union leaders. We have hearing about the demise of eagle now for non stop 6 years. The only thing that has happened is we have downsized due to parking the e135/140's. Management wants an additional concessionary contract on top of the bankruptcy contract for the aircraft that are coming to eagle anyway.

It is AAG who is running out of time, they have to start to schedule the deliveries of the aircraft and the bases and routes they will fly on top of the training required here at eagle.

The pilots at eagle should find there spine, stand straight and loudly with a high percentage VOTE NO.


VOTE NO and vote often

 

If that was the case, why did those guys abstain??

It makes more sense what Buddies is saying. The MEC knows about these airplanes or other things that will affect every pilot at Eagle. If so they should be telling us. It makes sense why the sudden change on their stance from NO to let the pilots decide. They get rid of the responsibility if this junk doesn't pass, while still looking good. Pure political games.

We need to demand for answers.

 

We need to vote no. Bringing this to the pilots gives us another 2 weeks of more pilot shortage news.

If we vote no, then we still gaining time. Time put pressure over AAG to bring those planes over eagle or AA, nobody will be able to grow a company so fast (9 months) to start accepting new aircraft. Look at RAH still have to deliver half of their AA 175 contract. They have to park planes to get these new birds flying.

Who will do it?

 

It was explained by the NY reps in their base blast. Basically, AAG management, the ORD reps, and AETC reps did not believe that the rest of the reps represented the will of the majority of the pilots. Management thinks that it will pass a pilot vote and that the "No" reps are blocking their progress in cheapening our profession. The "No" reps abstained from voting rather than voting yes and appearing to support the TA. It is now up to us as a pilot group to stop this downward spiral and prove that those "No" reps DO represent our wishes.

 

On the ORD blast we were told that they voted yes because they "believe" that's what we want. The other bases say we don't support the TA because you have told us you don't want it. Big difference! Other bases have meetings and constant talks with the membership, in ORD we are discredited due to our emotions and we don't host meetings.

 

Precisely. The ORD reps need to go YESTERDAY!!

 

I would say, day before Yesterday. But the CA rep is dragging his feet to get the meeting done...

 

use the rules against him,
email him and the mec informing that you want the recall of him and any one else the base deems needs to go to be put on the agenda of the next meeting.
everyone in ord email this everyday to him and the mec chairman. mec chairman can force him to have a meeting, but be careful when he does it, last time they did on memorial weekend downtown at the ball field where there local a zz kissers would be in numbers and we only lost by 25 votes.

 

American bought these planes. American owns American Eagle (Envoy). Agreements to own and fly these airplanes must already be in place between the two companies otherwise purchase agreements probably wouldn't be signed. Big companies don't sign billion dollar deals without knowing the details.

Could American decide to give them to someone else? Sure they could, but they're not going to do that otherwise this vote would not be coming back around for round 2. Someone has been paid. I'm afraid the AE council must be pretty weak or succumbed to something sinister. What's in it for the council to change their minds?

Those airplanes have delivery dates and those manufacturers are going to want to get paid whether anyone is flying them or not. There is an urgency here and that is why you are seeing round 2 of this.

Don't PSA out now.

 

Why are some of you making such a big deal about sending the vote to the pilots? What's wrong with giving the pilots whom this TA will affect a chance to vote? Sure the fear of doom and gloom will come in play and there's a chance it will pass, but at least it'll be your own doing and not at the hands of the 9 reps that may or may not share your opinion.

XJT took an awesome stand. My buddies at republic are overwhelmingly against their new contract. We at PSA did sell out, no excuses. Hope you guys have 50% plus 1 that are willing to take the stand. I bet PDT and AWAC are very anxious to see how you guys vote. Best of luck to you guys and gals!