How exactly is a flow to AA going to restrict or slow someone getting hired at UAL or DAL?

 

It wouldn't. AAG would restrict flow of Eagle pilots to AA in order to stem losses.

 

That's true but I'm still not understanding how having it is a bad thing.

 

Maybe he is saying that if you really want to work at American Airlines one day, then working for its wholly owned regional would be a mistake as it would take much longer to get the job there as opposed to another regional.

 

That is true, like I said it's not a career plan. If you want to work for AA you'd be there much sooner at a non wholly owned. However, if this thing passes the first 30 of every month are eagle. That's not going to leave a lot of seats for guys at other regionals.

Management may be *******s, but they're not stupid. This agreement fixes their longevity problem (that they caused) and also helps them attract new hires with the flow program. All the while they can advertise to the pilot group that a stronger flow is a "get" for us. If it played out as written it probably is, but few things have played out as written in the last 15 years.

 

I hear what you are saying. One thing though, they are taking quite a risk if your analysis is correct that it will attract new hires to the program.

While it may attract a supply of pilots for the next 6 months, after that, there really isn't any new pilots in great quantity in the pilot training pipeline. American Eagle might flow 30 per month to American Airlines only to find there is nobody to replace them with- an issue that isn't really new to the regional airlines these last 2 months.

In the end, I think the best bet for the pilot group would be to simply not fly these large airplanes at a regional. I mean why add another rung that needs climbing before you can get to the major? For that matter you may see the major airline take over that flying in the future anyway if there aren't enough regional pilots to fly said airplanes.

 

I truly hope the 175 becomes a mainline aircraft and perhaps it will a few years from now. Unfortunately a lot of regionals are sacrificing their 50 seat aircraft for 175 or equivalent aircraft and the ones with predominately 175 fleets are attracting new hires. SJS seems tobe alive and well even with staffing shortages looming.

 

There is no realistic path forward for jets at 50 seats and less. They simply cost to much in fuel, not to mention the labor costs that will have no choice but to rise. 70 seats is the new bare minimum in jet profitability.

All its going to take is for one major airline to say they are going to fly the 70 or 90 seat jet and then the other ones will fall inline very shortly thereafter and do the same.

 

New commutair TA that starts FOs at 30 an hour. Why are people voting yes on this eagle ta again??

 

It's not always a decision about pay rates. Some people have their priorities elsewhere, I could easily live the rest of my life making what I do today, it's the qol issues at the regional carriers that I can't live with. In the end people will make their decision based on their individual priorities, I think this thing will get voted down, but if it doesn't life will go on.