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Old 03-28-2014 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
I hate to break up the party, but you guys are dreaming if you think other Regionals won't take this flying in a nano-second.

At the end of the day it is not up to the pilots or their respective Unions what flying they accept. If Mesa, Republic, Piedmont, or ExpressJet accept "Eagle" flying the pilots will have no choice. They will perform that flying.

The only thing 70% of Eagle guys are counting on is the mythical pilot shortage. Many of you will learn-yet again- that every time a pilot shortage is looming pilots appear from somewhere. Whoever is awarded this flying will have the staffing. One way or another.
so what your saying is... Eagle pilots should take it up the ass then.. got it.
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Old 03-28-2014 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
You haven't prevented a race to the bottom. AA will award flying to another Regional with much lower costs and no career progression.
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Obviously, we don't care. If awarded to another company, they can have it.
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Old 03-28-2014 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ERJF15
Obviously, we don't care. If awarded to another company, they can have it.
Obviously, you don't. Like I said: you guys are calling a MAJOR bluff and it is all fun and games right now.

Lets see how you feel when the squeeze begins to really hurt. You may care a little more then.
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Old 03-28-2014 | 09:17 AM
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Awesome! Good job guys and gals! The aviation community respects your decision!!!

- Guy who's never been in the regionals, but is tired of seeing the race to the bottom.
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Old 03-28-2014 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
I hate to break up the party, but you guys are dreaming if you think other Regionals won't take this flying in a nano-second.

At the end of the day it is not up to the pilots or their respective Unions what flying they accept. If Mesa, Republic, Piedmont, or ExpressJet accept "Eagle" flying the pilots will have no choice. They will perform that flying.

The only thing 70% of Eagle guys are counting on is the mythical pilot shortage. Many of you will learn-yet again- that every time a pilot shortage is looming pilots appear from somewhere. Whoever is awarded this flying will have the staffing. One way or another.
Oh thank you sir, may I have another. Time will tell if this flying can be staffed by others. By the time Eagle closes it's doors, the regional model will have decimated, and most everyone that wants to go will be at Jet Blue or better.

Good luck to you and your regional. I hope you stay there for life.
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Old 03-28-2014 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
You haven't prevented a race to the bottom. AA will award flying to another Regional with much lower costs and no career progression.

That Regional will stumble over themselves to accept that flying. The pilots will pretend to be "reluctantly" performing those flights while really excited at flying an American Eagle E-175. Most if not all of your junior FOs will bail for these other Regionals who are getting the new flying. Your mid-level FOs will stagnate while junior Captains will displace back to FO.

So what have you accomplished, exactly? Had this been voted through you would have had AA on the hook for 170 aircraft MINIMUM which is far beyond any fleet guarantee that any Regional has.

If/When staffing became an issue AA would have had no choice but to raise first year pay.

So again, what have you accomplished? I know many of you are real giddy right now. It always feels good to poke management in the eye. But you need to realize the concepts of "unity" don't exist in the way you hope.
21 posts?? Shouldn't you scurry back to your cubicle, Mr. Management? As Eagle shrinks I would say there would be some belt tightening in the management ranks. Dust off your resume.
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Old 03-28-2014 | 09:19 AM
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Skyvector, don't be a downer. Let them a have a minute to enjoy the overwhelming unity in this vote.
As for Mesa, our MEC chairman never said every man for himself.
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Old 03-28-2014 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ERJF15
Obviously, we don't care. If awarded to another company, they can have it.
Obviously, you don't. Like I said: you guys are calling a MAJOR bluff and it is all fun and games right now.

Lets see how you feel when the squeeze begins to really hurt. You may care a little more then.
The squeeze its being hurting for the last 3 years, a little more it's not a problem.

Management is the one that have the problem here. We already gave 43millions last year, no need to give away more.

You said before, they will have to raise the first year pay. Well with our contract if every other company raise FO pay, our pay goes up too. They wanted to eliminate that this time.

Is not acceptable. Sorry, short term pain to a long term gain.
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Old 03-28-2014 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Obviously, you don't. Like I said: you guys are calling a MAJOR bluff and it is all fun and games right now.

Lets see how you feel when the squeeze begins to really hurt. You may care a little more then.
Obviously, Eagle pilots knew what they were doing and I am sure they know the potential implications it could have. They voted NO, to help halt this downward spiral, now I can see a spineless little sky vector saying yes to anything as long as it benefits him. In fact, I see sky vector crossing a picket line if given the choice... You sir/madam are the ultimate tool box.


Great Job Eagle!
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Old 03-28-2014 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
You haven't prevented a race to the bottom. AA will award flying to another Regional with much lower costs and no career progression.

That Regional will stumble over themselves to accept that flying. The pilots will pretend to be "reluctantly" performing those flights while really excited at flying an American Eagle E-175. Most if not all of your junior FOs will bail for these other Regionals who are getting the new flying. Your mid-level FOs will stagnate while junior Captains will displace back to FO.

So what have you accomplished, exactly? Had this been voted through you would have had AA on the hook for 170 aircraft MINIMUM which is far beyond any fleet guarantee that any Regional has.

If/When staffing became an issue AA would have had no choice but to raise first year pay.

So again, what have you accomplished? I know many of you are real giddy right now. It always feels good to poke management in the eye. But you need to realize the concepts of "unity" don't exist in the way you hope.
Even if someone accepts the flying, where will the pilots come from? We could take a bottom feeder regional in the UA system to accept the flying, but have you seen their performance numbers? A cheap operation translates into delays, cancellations, and poor performance. Simply look at the numbers for some of the UA feed operating on a margin and you'll see that.

If Republic continues the collective No Vote, then I believe we will have leverage on the table. There are other variables involved as well than simply another carrier taking the flying. Not all brand new regional FOs are enticed by SJS, some actually rather go to a place that has a better contract, pay rates, and perhaps a livable base if that is on the agenda.

Also in regard to FOs at other companies bailing for the bottom feeder with the new jets, their mgmt is also involved in self-preservation and will not simply wish to implode by an exodus. They will realize a pay raise is in order at this point.

Its about leverage. In any other industry, supply and demand work in a logical manner, however with the regional carriers it takes us sticking together in order to develop the leverage needed to expose supply and demand economics. If pilots continue to have Stockholm Syndrome and feel like mgmt paying them 35/hr to fly our friends and family on a CAT II approach, then we will continue to make garbage money. Realizing your self-worth is an important step in the right direction.
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