New Guys Chasing Quick Upgrades Beware
05-18-2014 | 11:04 AM
#31
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For most civilian trained pilots, every year you spend somewhere other than the last employer you work for is a year of lost seniority, lower QOL and lower career earnings.
Get your experience and connections, and get out - that is the formula that has worked for almost every mainline pilot hired in the last 25 years from the regionals.
05-18-2014 | 11:41 AM
#32
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No offense, but I think you are projecting your own experiences on to other pilots.
05-18-2014 | 12:35 PM
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Tom is right. I make these documents in my basement as well. PM me if you need anything. I cut deals for certain regionals because I know how bad you get paid.
05-18-2014 | 04:58 PM
#34
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From: MD-88 FO
Thanks Joe, still miss you guys out there in DEN.
Less than four months until Chefs-Broncos, get yer popcorn ready!
Everyone:
I've been fortunate so far, but we all know how quickly that can change. Hang on tight, try to enjoy spinning in the roulette wheel of this industry, and hope that you catch a break or two along the way.
Less than four months until Chefs-Broncos, get yer popcorn ready!
Everyone:
I've been fortunate so far, but we all know how quickly that can change. Hang on tight, try to enjoy spinning in the roulette wheel of this industry, and hope that you catch a break or two along the way.
05-19-2014 | 05:44 AM
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From: forever fo
I'm not defending PSA's contract, nor Mesa's management, but, by convincing the PSA pilot's to vote that contract in and running Mesa through Ch. 11 to shed all the 50 seaters, both of these airlines' management have set up a situation that is likely going to include quick upgrades.
For most civilian trained pilots, every year you spend somewhere other than the last employer you work for is a year of lost seniority, lower QOL and lower career earnings.
Get your experience and connections, and get out - that is the formula that has worked for almost every mainline pilot hired in the last 25 years from the regionals.
For most civilian trained pilots, every year you spend somewhere other than the last employer you work for is a year of lost seniority, lower QOL and lower career earnings.
Get your experience and connections, and get out - that is the formula that has worked for almost every mainline pilot hired in the last 25 years from the regionals.
Mesa is a great example, plummeting to a ten year upgrade. Gojetz is slowly getting longer and longer. Psa has done this before to pdt and allegahny and look they ended up in the end with a seven year upgrade. No one had any idea three years ago tran states upgrade would plummet. I've also been hearing since 2010 compass is on the verge of having a one year upgrade, well I'd be an fo there too.
05-20-2014 | 09:12 AM
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From: ERJ, CA
The regional business model is pretty transparent by now.
1. Underbid the other guy, so that you have the tiniest of margins.
2. Go to your pilots and say you can't make money, so cuts must be made.
3. Get concessions
4. Make cuts to staffing by firing the qualified and experienced and replace with the unqualified and experienced at lower pay
5. See step 2.
6. Furlough
7. Bankruptcy
8. Start new airline
9. See step 1.
pilots are viewed as a commodity or stock. Buy low, sell high.
The only way to stop this, is don't allow yourself to be commoditized by chasing ephemeral promises of upgrade.
1. Underbid the other guy, so that you have the tiniest of margins.
2. Go to your pilots and say you can't make money, so cuts must be made.
3. Get concessions
4. Make cuts to staffing by firing the qualified and experienced and replace with the unqualified and experienced at lower pay
5. See step 2.
6. Furlough
7. Bankruptcy
8. Start new airline
9. See step 1.
pilots are viewed as a commodity or stock. Buy low, sell high.
The only way to stop this, is don't allow yourself to be commoditized by chasing ephemeral promises of upgrade.
05-20-2014 | 05:58 PM
#39
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From: RJ right-seat warmer
The regional business model is pretty transparent by now.
1. Underbid the other guy, so that you have the tiniest of margins.
2. Go to your pilots and say you can't make money, so cuts must be made.
3. Get concessions
4. Make cuts to staffing by firing the qualified and experienced and replace with the unqualified and experienced at lower pay
5. See step 2.
6. Furlough
7. Bankruptcy
Ensure your senior execs get multi-million-dollar golden parachutes because you 'need seasoned leadership to guide the company through these difficult times'.
8. Start new airline
9. See step 1.
pilots are viewed as a commodity or stock. Buy low, sell high.
The only way to stop this, is don't allow yourself to be commoditized by chasing ephemeral promises of upgrade.
1. Underbid the other guy, so that you have the tiniest of margins.
2. Go to your pilots and say you can't make money, so cuts must be made.
3. Get concessions
4. Make cuts to staffing by firing the qualified and experienced and replace with the unqualified and experienced at lower pay
5. See step 2.
6. Furlough
7. Bankruptcy
Ensure your senior execs get multi-million-dollar golden parachutes because you 'need seasoned leadership to guide the company through these difficult times'.
8. Start new airline
9. See step 1.
pilots are viewed as a commodity or stock. Buy low, sell high.
The only way to stop this, is don't allow yourself to be commoditized by chasing ephemeral promises of upgrade.
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