Average pilot qual's for the regionals
06-04-2014 | 10:25 PM
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I am certain that NONE of those guys are around now, Think about it: 23 years old in 1969 would force that guy to retire in 2006 or 2011 (age 60 or 65). I know for a fact that no 250 hour wonders were hired in the 70's, so, I'm not sure I quite believe the guy you referred to was one of those 250-300 hour wonders hired in the 60's. He's not old enough.
06-04-2014 | 10:38 PM
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Also, NO division of AE was EVER Pay For Training (PFT). Thank God they never went there.
CoEx pilots back then who went through that were considered nearly SCABS because they PAID to fly for a company, rather than being PAID to fly. They caught a LOT of hell on these forums back then. However, as far as I know, pretty much ALL of those guys flowed over to Continental within a couple of years, so they had the last laugh, I guess. Many are captains at the New UAL now. Who figured?!
CoEx pilots back then who went through that were considered nearly SCABS because they PAID to fly for a company, rather than being PAID to fly. They caught a LOT of hell on these forums back then. However, as far as I know, pretty much ALL of those guys flowed over to Continental within a couple of years, so they had the last laugh, I guess. Many are captains at the New UAL now. Who figured?!
06-04-2014 | 11:27 PM
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CoEx pilots back then who went through that were considered nearly SCABS because they PAID to fly for a company, rather than being PAID to fly. They caught a LOT of hell on these forums back then. However, as far as I know, pretty much ALL of those guys flowed over to Continental within a couple of years, so they had the last laugh, I guess. Many are captains at the New UAL now. Who figured?!
Because as much as it sucked, as much of a black eye as it left on the industry, it's as mentioned; PFT was more a norm and NOT an exception. And contrary to what Kit Darby used to preach, PTF'ing did NOT hurt careers. There's a metric crap ton of pilots that PFT'd at any one of the various commuters/regionals listed, and it in and of itself DIDNT harm those guys. Many that are probably CA's and various legacies right now. As well as FedEx, UPS, name it.
06-05-2014 | 07:11 AM
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06-05-2014 | 07:17 AM
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At ASA and Comair a candidate paid for E120 training at Flight Safety. The outcome was far from certain, since the bust rate on the E120 at times got pretty high.
Maybe someone can explain the distinction between Southwest's "buy your Type" and the express version of "buy your Type." Either way a candidate was not "hired" until they had the Type.
06-05-2014 | 07:19 AM
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Because as much as it sucked, as much of a black eye as it left on the industry, it's as mentioned; PFT was more a norm and NOT an exception. And contrary to what Kit Darby used to preach, PTF'ing did NOT hurt careers. There's a metric crap ton of pilots that PFT'd at any one of the various commuters/regionals listed, and it in and of itself DIDNT harm those guys. Many that are probably CA's and various legacies right now. As well as FedEx, UPS, name it.
06-05-2014 | 01:20 PM
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Wow, I had absolutely no idea that PFT was used by so many regionals not that long ago. No idea at all.
Soooo....does this mean that a lot of the more established guys now, who tell us all that PFT is only a slightly less evil device than Al Qaida...
...may themselves have gotten into 121 by paying for training?
Soooo....does this mean that a lot of the more established guys now, who tell us all that PFT is only a slightly less evil device than Al Qaida...
...may themselves have gotten into 121 by paying for training?
06-05-2014 | 01:46 PM
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Wow, I had absolutely no idea that PFT was used by so many regionals not that long ago. No idea at all.
Soooo....does this mean that a lot of the more established guys now, who tell us all that PFT is only a slightly less evil device than Al Qaida...
...may themselves have gotten into 121 by paying for training?
Soooo....does this mean that a lot of the more established guys now, who tell us all that PFT is only a slightly less evil device than Al Qaida...
...may themselves have gotten into 121 by paying for training?
06-05-2014 | 06:25 PM
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In the late 80's and early 90's, the regionals (we called them "the commuters") typically didn't look at anybody with less than an ATP and 2000 total time, and 500 multi-engine. I was the lowest time guy in my class in '91 with 2100 total time and 330 multi time, along with the ATP. This was for a Bae32 Jetstream class - 19 seats, 16,204 pound max gross takeoff weight airplane that AE operated under part 135 regs.
HA!
06-05-2014 | 06:31 PM
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Ohhh boy, could go into some tricky territory here. But to somewhat sidestep yet provide an answer, I believe that AFTER 9/11 the background check did become more comprehensive, as well as go back further. I remember all of us in the 121 world did get another check done. So it could be said that back then, yes, people with less than legitimate backgrounds probably did get some training that they would not in a post 9/11 world.
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