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Would you support a B scale at your regional?
07-07-2014 | 06:35 AM
#31
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Think a B scale would put people off? Anyone remeber the Pay To Play companies?
"There's a sucker born every minute." As long as there is a percieved looming pilot shortage, suckers will bite. So the question is can EMAU, ATP, etc, hire a marketing company that is able to lure in enough of those suckers.
A regional pilot group that is willing to vote in a B scale to help fill the ranks (oh, and get to that left seat faster) better not b***h when Marvelous Mainline pilots give up more scope for their own higher pay. Its the same d*** thing.
"There's a sucker born every minute." As long as there is a percieved looming pilot shortage, suckers will bite. So the question is can EMAU, ATP, etc, hire a marketing company that is able to lure in enough of those suckers.
A regional pilot group that is willing to vote in a B scale to help fill the ranks (oh, and get to that left seat faster) better not b***h when Marvelous Mainline pilots give up more scope for their own higher pay. Its the same d*** thing.
A regional b-scale wouldn't surprise me. The regional ranks may be polarizing into lifers (voluntary or otherwise) and upwardly mobile noobs.
The noobs would probably willingly fly for less if it meant jet time, especially PIC, on the assumption that they'd be moving on in a matter of months anyway.
When a 15-year RJ CA sees prop FO's who were ASEL CFIs one year ago getting hired by legacies, they don't feel any sense of empathy or need to make any sacrifices to help the noobs out.
Of course this won't work if there's a pilot shortage at the entry level, because all else being equal folks will go for a little more money. But I could see a CA B-scale, where CA's under say 5-7 years only get FO pay on the assumption that there will be enough PIC-seekers falling all over themselves to do it. Then if you stick around long enough to enter the lifer ranks then you get a big bump. This would allow the lifers to more closely approximate a living wage, while the interns (noobs going to the majors) get to pay their dues before they hit the big bucks at the legacies.
This whole post was mostly facetious, but it does reflect some real-world attitudes I've seen. With major hiring policies like on-line psych screening and requirements to have done a type ride within the last few years a lot of senior regional pilots are feeling shut out. Not only did they get stuck at a regional much longer than expected, now the majors seem to be devaluing the traditional hiring metric (experience) in favor of mechanisms which favor young and untarnished folks.
07-08-2014 | 11:19 AM
#32
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From: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
A regional b-scale wouldn't surprise me. The regional ranks may be polarizing into lifers (voluntary or otherwise) and upwardly mobile noobs.
The noobs would probably willingly fly for less if it meant jet time, especially PIC, on the assumption that they'd be moving on in a matter of months anyway.
When a 15-year RJ CA sees prop FO's who were ASEL CFIs one year ago getting hired by legacies, they don't feel any sense of empathy or need to make any sacrifices to help the noobs out.
Of course this won't work if there's a pilot shortage at the entry level, because all else being equal folks will go for a little more money. But I could see a CA B-scale, where CA's under say 5-7 years only get FO pay on the assumption that there will be enough PIC-seekers falling all over themselves to do it. Then if you stick around long enough to enter the lifer ranks then you get a big bump. This would allow the lifers to more closely approximate a living wage, while the interns (noobs going to the majors) get to pay their dues before they hit the big bucks at the legacies.
This whole post was mostly facetious, but it does reflect some real-world attitudes I've seen. With major hiring policies like on-line psych screening and requirements to have done a type ride within the last few years a lot of senior regional pilots are feeling shut out. Not only did they get stuck at a regional much longer than expected, now the majors seem to be devaluing the traditional hiring metric (experience) in favor of mechanisms which favor young and untarnished folks.
The noobs would probably willingly fly for less if it meant jet time, especially PIC, on the assumption that they'd be moving on in a matter of months anyway.
When a 15-year RJ CA sees prop FO's who were ASEL CFIs one year ago getting hired by legacies, they don't feel any sense of empathy or need to make any sacrifices to help the noobs out.
Of course this won't work if there's a pilot shortage at the entry level, because all else being equal folks will go for a little more money. But I could see a CA B-scale, where CA's under say 5-7 years only get FO pay on the assumption that there will be enough PIC-seekers falling all over themselves to do it. Then if you stick around long enough to enter the lifer ranks then you get a big bump. This would allow the lifers to more closely approximate a living wage, while the interns (noobs going to the majors) get to pay their dues before they hit the big bucks at the legacies.
This whole post was mostly facetious, but it does reflect some real-world attitudes I've seen. With major hiring policies like on-line psych screening and requirements to have done a type ride within the last few years a lot of senior regional pilots are feeling shut out. Not only did they get stuck at a regional much longer than expected, now the majors seem to be devaluing the traditional hiring metric (experience) in favor of mechanisms which favor young and untarnished folks.
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