upgrade vs. wholly owned?
#32
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#33
....and this thread is now officially off-track.
To the OP: a lot of guys are upset at PSA for under-cutting Eagle/Envoy, but the truth is, this industry requires you to look out for yourself. Go to a smaller carrier getting bigger (like PSA), or one with a lot of attrition (Compass), fly your tail off to reach the mins required to be captain, upgrade, and fly your tail off to reach 1000-1500 TPIC.
While all of that is going on, try to become an instructor or check airman to put some polish on your resume, and work on building your network of pilot friends that can help you out later.
Some airlines are not as well thought of by pilots as others. I can remember well when many would not give a Mesa guy the time of day, and Eagle wasn't far behind. GoJet was treated even worse. Go where you need to go, which might be one of these listed. Their pilots are moving on to the majors, which means if you play your cards right and stay out of trouble, you might do the same.
One piece of advice you will see a lot on here that you should heed is move to the base. I'll go a step further and say move to the base if it's in a major hub for the mainline partner. At some point, you will need to commute, possibly for years. If you don't need to now, then don't.
To the OP: a lot of guys are upset at PSA for under-cutting Eagle/Envoy, but the truth is, this industry requires you to look out for yourself. Go to a smaller carrier getting bigger (like PSA), or one with a lot of attrition (Compass), fly your tail off to reach the mins required to be captain, upgrade, and fly your tail off to reach 1000-1500 TPIC.
While all of that is going on, try to become an instructor or check airman to put some polish on your resume, and work on building your network of pilot friends that can help you out later.
Some airlines are not as well thought of by pilots as others. I can remember well when many would not give a Mesa guy the time of day, and Eagle wasn't far behind. GoJet was treated even worse. Go where you need to go, which might be one of these listed. Their pilots are moving on to the majors, which means if you play your cards right and stay out of trouble, you might do the same.
One piece of advice you will see a lot on here that you should heed is move to the base. I'll go a step further and say move to the base if it's in a major hub for the mainline partner. At some point, you will need to commute, possibly for years. If you don't need to now, then don't.
#34
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Honestly, the ship has sailed at PSA. Compass is still a good bet. Mesa might be filling up too but last time I had a Mesa jumpseater, he told me upgrade is down to 1 year!!! Of course the guys that are upgrading have prior 121 experiences to meet the minimums but still, that's ridiculous!
Here's the advice of the year...
GOTO PIEDMONT!!!!
I'm not joking. PDT is currently in a worst position than PSA when AA threatened PSA. I'm assuming they will take the deal or will probably close shop. If they do get a new fleet, watch how fast things will move there. But grow a thick skin because you will be called the next endeavor or PSA scumbags.
Here's the advice of the year...
GOTO PIEDMONT!!!!
I'm not joking. PDT is currently in a worst position than PSA when AA threatened PSA. I'm assuming they will take the deal or will probably close shop. If they do get a new fleet, watch how fast things will move there. But grow a thick skin because you will be called the next endeavor or PSA scumbags.
#35
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Honestly, the ship has sailed at PSA. Compass is still a good bet. Mesa might be filling up too but last time I had a Mesa jumpseater, he told me upgrade is down to 1 year!!! Of course the guys that are upgrading have prior 121 experiences to meet the minimums but still, that's ridiculous!
Here's the advice of the year...
GOTO PIEDMONT!!!!
I'm not joking. PDT is currently in a worst position than PSA when AA threatened PSA. I'm assuming they will take the deal or will probably close shop. If they do get a new fleet, watch how fast things will move there. But grow a thick skin because you will be called the next endeavor or PSA scumbags.
Here's the advice of the year...
GOTO PIEDMONT!!!!
I'm not joking. PDT is currently in a worst position than PSA when AA threatened PSA. I'm assuming they will take the deal or will probably close shop. If they do get a new fleet, watch how fast things will move there. But grow a thick skin because you will be called the next endeavor or PSA scumbags.
#36
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To the Op, I’ve been following the hiring for years and the conventional wisdom was to not chase the upgrade because there were quality alternatives even as short as 3-4 years ago Pinnacle, Eagle and ExpressJet. Now, there are no secure companies to look toward. The small ones you may or may not upgrade quickly, the large ones you may or may not have a job. Chasing the upgrade isn’t more or less risky than ever before but the opportunity cost has gone way down because the “stable” regionals don’t exist anymore. Going to the shorter upgrade is like climbing a rocky cliff you will get bloodied and bruised, but going to a large one is like climbing a mud bank, you may end up sliding backwards. Just prepare yourself for whichever one you choose. Perception is what controls your happiness.
#37
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If quality of life items such as living in base without commuting are not that big of a deal to you because you are not married with no kids etc.. then by all means try and go for the low upgrade time.
I can't think of a #2 priority that isn't low upgrade time can you?
I can't think of a #2 priority that isn't low upgrade time can you?
#38
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Honestly, the ship has sailed at PSA. Compass is still a good bet. Mesa might be filling up too but last time I had a Mesa jumpseater, he told me upgrade is down to 1 year!!! Of course the guys that are upgrading have prior 121 experiences to meet the minimums but still, that's ridiculous!
Here's the advice of the year...
GOTO PIEDMONT!!!!
I'm not joking. PDT is currently in a worst position than PSA when AA threatened PSA. I'm assuming they will take the deal or will probably close shop. If they do get a new fleet, watch how fast things will move there. But grow a thick skin because you will be called the next endeavor or PSA scumbags.
Here's the advice of the year...
GOTO PIEDMONT!!!!
I'm not joking. PDT is currently in a worst position than PSA when AA threatened PSA. I'm assuming they will take the deal or will probably close shop. If they do get a new fleet, watch how fast things will move there. But grow a thick skin because you will be called the next endeavor or PSA scumbags.
#39
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Are you guys still thinking the 900's are growth aircraft? Serious question.
#40
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Compass also has a guaranteed interview. Not at AA but at Delta, an infinitely better run airline than DUI Doug's donkey show.
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