Regional: JUMPSEAT WAR NEAR
09-06-2014 | 10:49 AM
#151
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There are LCC's that pay better than US Airways first year pay on the E-190... and oh by the way, why wasn't that fixed with the MOU?
09-06-2014 | 10:53 AM
#152
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Pardon me if I don't take your guidance as I don't work for or care what your opinion is of my input. In all appearances you are suffering from the stress of your failed integration with Expressjet. While you don't want to admit it you are well aware of the consequences that are headed your way.
I am very familiar with the cost+ contracts...Why did the XJT MEC just refer to FFD instead of cost+? Why did the UA MEC invite FFD carriers versus COST+? It is because FFD is an acceptable substitution term. Your company is not receiving incentives not because mainline cancels your flights, but because you have schedules built with no FAR117 flexibility, poor maintenance reliability and crews scattered from hub to hub with no reserves for irregular operations. Those are issues with your company making promises to operate X number of flights but being unable to comply.
Do you make your wife call you "captain"? I suspect all of your mail is addressed to "captain" also. I have known plenty of guys like you over the years. The pilots that define themselves by their job are usually the most miserable people to fly with. I have seen it from every seat over the years, captain.....
I am very familiar with the cost+ contracts...Why did the XJT MEC just refer to FFD instead of cost+? Why did the UA MEC invite FFD carriers versus COST+? It is because FFD is an acceptable substitution term. Your company is not receiving incentives not because mainline cancels your flights, but because you have schedules built with no FAR117 flexibility, poor maintenance reliability and crews scattered from hub to hub with no reserves for irregular operations. Those are issues with your company making promises to operate X number of flights but being unable to comply.
Do you make your wife call you "captain"? I suspect all of your mail is addressed to "captain" also. I have known plenty of guys like you over the years. The pilots that define themselves by their job are usually the most miserable people to fly with. I have seen it from every seat over the years, captain.....
Well guess what, that is part of the problem. A 12 year scale "fixes" the longevity problem caused by so many folks being there for 12+ years... though it won't be enough until you get all the 12-year+ folks to move on.
Everyone, remember, a contract is more than Section 3... you could give the world's worst contract to a senior pilot group (like Captain Tony's) and they would still be too expensive.
You have to be at a place with defined movement, like Compass.
09-06-2014 | 11:02 AM
#153
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From: AA Airbus
friend, you need to recheck your numbers and stop posting that others are wrong when you in fact are the one who's wrong; that's not wise. Our New Hire base rate is 40/hour, not a "fixed" $3000/month. $3000/month was the old Airbus new hire rate whereas the old E190 new hire rate was $42ish/hr. Plus we get paid 85 hours and 24/7 per diem during training and all deadheads pay above guarantee which has caused me to average around 80 hrs/mnth on RSV. So my first year at Airways my total compensation will be just shy of $50,000. Sure it's more at DL and UA but our first year pay will be $68.22 by Jan 1st, 2016. The company wants it and so do we.
09-06-2014 | 11:30 AM
#154
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friend, you need to recheck your numbers and stop posting that others are wrong when you in fact are the one who's wrong; that's not wise. Our New Hire base rate is 40/hour, not a "fixed" $3000/month. $3000/month was the old Airbus new hire rate whereas the old E190 new hire rate was $42ish/hr. Plus we get paid 85 hours and 24/7 per diem during training and all deadheads pay above guarantee which has caused me to average around 80 hrs/mnth on RSV. So my first year at Airways my total compensation will be just shy of $50,000. Sure it's more at DL and UA but our first year pay will be $68.22 by Jan 1st, 2016. The company wants it and so do we.
09-06-2014 | 11:49 AM
#155
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From: AA Airbus
Key words there. The company both mainline and the regionals do not want to pay regional pilots more. Kirby flat out said they want the regionals to be a stepping stone to the majors. Of course they'd rather utilize the money for mainline pilots. It however does not take a rocket scientist to play the system here. I fly 80-85ish hours per month and credit 130-140 with SAP.
Regardless I do think they can pay more even with the regionals being positioned as a stepping stone.
The reason why Mgmt. wants first year pay raised from $40 to $68 is because it cost far more to train a pilot and then watch them leave for DL or UA than pay a bit more in order to retain them.
09-06-2014 | 12:04 PM
#156
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Ok so what's your point? Are you justifying why you plan to stay there? You see the regionals are a money losing necessity that's needed to assist in filling the highly profitable mainline ships. Therefore keeping cost down on a losing necessity is a must, that is why the regionals will NEVER be a solid lucrative career.
Regardless I do think they can pay more even with the regionals being positioned as a stepping stone.
Regardless I do think they can pay more even with the regionals being positioned as a stepping stone.
09-06-2014 | 04:29 PM
#157
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But WHAT IF you can't get hired at the majors? Believe it or not, there have been times when the majors were not hiring...
09-06-2014 | 04:52 PM
#158
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That's when it's time to hang up the wings and go into a different field. A decade is more than enough time for someone with the proper qualifications to move onto a respectable job. The trash left behind simply muck it up for everyone else that wants to move on.
09-06-2014 | 04:58 PM
#159
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so which is it? they are ALL there by choice and a minute number of mainline hiring in the last 15 years, or NONE of them can hack it at a major?
09-06-2014 | 06:40 PM
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That would make sense if the majors didn't give up so much scope that the regional pilots outnumber the majors. Even when the numbers are just close, that "dream" is simply BS. Everyone can't "move" to majors.
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