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Old 12-04-2014 | 08:49 AM
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A 2.5 to 3 year upgrade is definitely possible, as long as we keep all 71 planes flying.
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Old 12-04-2014 | 08:50 AM
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Okay back to the core subject, but does the math really work out as the AWAC DO claims that despite no deal with delta upgrade times are still expected to be at 2.5 years? I'm not the greatest math wiz but it sounds like reserve only got longer more than anything. Is there something I'm not factoring in?
2.5 years is unlikely unless they already know what the Extension will look like. If it includes keeping a 71 fleet then it will be more like 3-4 years with the 2014 attrition rate!

2.5 years is possible if we don't shrink and attrition accelerates which is what they are expecting
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Old 12-04-2014 | 08:57 AM
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Might be worth noting for anyone disenchanted with regionals:

Netjets has recalled all their furloughed pilots and is officially hiring.
https://www.netjets.com/Careers/Pilots/

Fractional business aviation isn't without its own unique set of issues, but it might be a viable direction for some frustrated First Officers to look into.
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Old 12-04-2014 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
just take a look at the 717 routes....just wait until we have all of the 717's not just half the fleet.

mainline is growing domestically as we shift the flying back to mainline. Its not just the 717 either, all the planes up to and including the 757 are increasing domestic flying to cover previous RJ routes.

as far as proving you wrong, tbh i dont really care if you believe me or not, you'll see on your own
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Old 12-04-2014 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
How does cheap oil "threaten" 76 seat aircraft, or even 717s?

Either a 76 seater (or 717) is financially viable due to load factor and yields, or its not. Higher oil prices can make a smaller aircraft less financially viable due to its higher CASM, but I truly fail to see how lower oil prices can make a larger aircraft less financially viable for the same reason.
Because regional labor and operating costs are so cheap compared to mainline. The only equalizing factor is the 200 nuts a lot of gas proportional to it's revenue. At low gas prices a 717 with mainline costs can't come close to competing on routes less than 500 mi.
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Old 12-04-2014 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
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Please god no
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Old 12-04-2014 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
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the 200 nuts a lot
In Soviet Russia, 200 nuts on you!!!
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Old 12-04-2014 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Because regional labor and operating costs are so cheap compared to mainline. The only equalizing factor is the 200 nuts a lot of gas proportional to it's revenue. At low gas prices a 717 with mainline costs can't come close to competing on routes less than 500 mi.
That must explain why DL is looking to buy more 717s than just the 88 that are already coming.
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Old 12-04-2014 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by thatoneguy
A 2.5 to 3 year upgrade is definitely possible, as long as we keep all 71 planes flying.
What kind of crack are you smoking?
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Old 12-04-2014 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Because regional labor and operating costs are so cheap compared to mainline. The only equalizing factor is the 200 nuts a lot of gas proportional to it's revenue. At low gas prices a 717 with mainline costs can't come close to competing on routes less than 500 mi.
Why are you championing the regional model and bragging on the economics of the regional jet?

As professional airline pilots we should want to see the collapse of the regional airlines. The demand is there - why do you not want to see mainline operators recapture flying?
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