STOP the lateral moves!
11-22-2014 | 06:53 PM
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hence why i made the 'title' of my post what it is, an alteration on a sticker that used to get posted in the chart flaps in the cockpit
"Flying yesterdays airplanes into tomorrow"
11-23-2014 | 01:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
Can't you see that the Legacies bank on your hasty moves? XJT planes to TSA, Envoy's to PSA, now Endeavor's to SkyWest and perhaps AWAC. This is designed for you to jump ship to another carrier, stay cheap and even fly the same routes. FOs flock under false hopes of a quick upgrade. Perhaps some may get it, but who's gonna be your FO? There's no way PSA will staff the infusion of 77 RJs even if all of 9E's FOs bail.
Stay where you're at until you move up, let the system crumble, and for f@&$ sakes let the legacies fix this.
I'm on board with this.
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Originally Posted by swamp
Good post, at 9E there have been many 7+ year FO's bailing to start at the bottom of PSA or compass. Might have been a good move a year ago, but now, PSA and compass will soon have the same problem 9E is having = hiring new pilots and those FOs leaving now will be stuck yet again at the bottom of another regionals seniority list. FOs leaving for allegiance, spirit, JetBlue or any other LCC makes sense, but leaving 7 years of seniority to start at the bottom of another regional, just doesn't make much sense. I get 9E is not the ideal place to work right now, but we have approx 70 CA waiting for a class date at Delta and many others leaving to United, and AA soon. Guys have stuck around and dedicated their time to 9E during the stagnation years, why bail now when the attrition years have just started?
This, too.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Simple, the EtD; We get hundreds of apps here at 9E, but only single digits actually make it to class.
But this is a major problem! I know of one really great guy who was turned away on the second day-pysch test day. I can't imagine what the heck was the reason for the "no." I don't know how a regional can expect to shoot down something close to around literally 95% of applicants and stay in business. I don't see how this is the current Endeavor pilot group's fault, as mangment has said (heard it with my own ears.)
Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
Can't you see that the Legacies bank on your hasty moves? XJT planes to TSA, Envoy's to PSA, now Endeavor's to SkyWest and perhaps AWAC. This is designed for you to jump ship to another carrier, stay cheap and even fly the same routes. FOs flock under false hopes of a quick upgrade. Perhaps some may get it, but who's gonna be your FO? There's no way PSA will staff the infusion of 77 RJs even if all of 9E's FOs bail.
Stay where you're at until you move up, let the system crumble, and for f@&$ sakes let the legacies fix this.
I'm on board with this.
Quote:
Originally Posted by swamp
Good post, at 9E there have been many 7+ year FO's bailing to start at the bottom of PSA or compass. Might have been a good move a year ago, but now, PSA and compass will soon have the same problem 9E is having = hiring new pilots and those FOs leaving now will be stuck yet again at the bottom of another regionals seniority list. FOs leaving for allegiance, spirit, JetBlue or any other LCC makes sense, but leaving 7 years of seniority to start at the bottom of another regional, just doesn't make much sense. I get 9E is not the ideal place to work right now, but we have approx 70 CA waiting for a class date at Delta and many others leaving to United, and AA soon. Guys have stuck around and dedicated their time to 9E during the stagnation years, why bail now when the attrition years have just started?
This, too.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mesabah
Simple, the EtD; We get hundreds of apps here at 9E, but only single digits actually make it to class.
But this is a major problem! I know of one really great guy who was turned away on the second day-pysch test day. I can't imagine what the heck was the reason for the "no." I don't know how a regional can expect to shoot down something close to around literally 95% of applicants and stay in business. I don't see how this is the current Endeavor pilot group's fault, as mangment has said (heard it with my own ears.)
11-23-2014 | 10:00 AM
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All the shell-shifting only amplifies my initial IDEALISTIC thread opener. Stay put, let the system crumble, and then reap the rewards when mainlines get a regional dose of epic fail. Some of you will bash me with, "oh yea, what about when 9E closes or when ENV operates their last flight?" And I think, as long as you don't chase tails, the doors will not close.
In addition to my moronic IDEALISM, some put it, those who have gotten screwed over, to only chase your former aircraft to its new operator, (i.e. ENV to PSA, XJT to TSA or PDT, 9E to well, pretty much all others) you are directly subsidizing, well not even that; you are paying for your own pay cuts, etc..
Oh by the way, who's got the quick upgrades so I can apply today?
In addition to my moronic IDEALISM, some put it, those who have gotten screwed over, to only chase your former aircraft to its new operator, (i.e. ENV to PSA, XJT to TSA or PDT, 9E to well, pretty much all others) you are directly subsidizing, well not even that; you are paying for your own pay cuts, etc..
Oh by the way, who's got the quick upgrades so I can apply today?
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