No pilot group owns any flying. All flying is owned by the airline itself. Pilots only contract for it on a temporary basis.

Nothing wrong with any pilot group fighting to raise the bar. The problem with regional pilots is they are often quick to lower the bar in order to obtain a fast upgrade and then eject to the nearest major when they are able.

 

...and yours are as dirty as anyone else's.

It's you who will pay in the long run for your short-sided rationalizations.

 

Well you won't see me pointing fingers. Piedmont had nothing to give and nothing to take. Period! It's all McDonalds now. Get on with mainline and don't look back. Hope my flow will be this summer and then I'll pay. Sorry I meant get paid. :-)

 

so those contracts for feed really have no substance??

 

The "and don't look back." comment about sums it up. That's the problem with the "yes" voters at PSA and PDT. They really don't give a flying f@&? about the damage they are doing to the whole industry. The "it's all about me" has got to stop at the regional level. All this will do is further the gap between cost of mainline operation and the regional feed. Thus feeding right into management's plan of getting scope relief because of the disparity of cost between flying a md80 and an e175.
Whether you know it or not Billyhobag your way of thinking may do you more harm than good. If and when AAG furloughs because of pilot groups (like PSA and PDT) make it cheaper to fly the e175 than the md80. I'm sure management will have no problem booting your ass to the street and hire the "me first" regional to fly their airplanes. Why do think AAG wants scope relief? Why do think it's so important for the 12/4 caps?
You sit on your high seat and keep gloating about your flow this summer "and don't look back". But just know that it's pilots like you that have gotten the industry in the mess it is in with the "me first" mentality.
Rather shouldn't all of us try to make the profession what it once was, and not worse?

 

It is beginning to occur to me that when you are too close to a problem that I begin to suffer from, "I can't see the forest because of the trees". Where do the really good jobs with high pay and benefits lie? Mainline. Where should ALPA re-trench and put all of it's efforts? Mainline jobs. People are upset with this pilot group or that pilot group for "lowering the bar". SO WHAT? Win the scope battle, and get all these senior regional pilots over to mainline where they will be productive generating revenue that is commensurate with their salaries.
It has taken me 11-years to finally realize that wasting time, energy and angst over improving regional pilot pay&benefits is a complete and utter waste of time. The paradigm is changing, and nothing is going to stop the juggernaut that is 12/4 and increased healthcare costs. THIS IS REALITY. Sometimes you have to loose a battle or two and learn that your strategy and tactics are incorrect. ALPA and some pilots don't seem to understand this. Sure, it sucks to be 55 or so with a number of years invested at a regional airline that offers a decent QOL. BUT, this horse is running it's final lap and most of these folks will be replaced by people with new ( cheaper ) work rules and pay scales. The time is now to stop fighting in the wrong theater of operations and concentrate on getting better pathways to mainline for CURRENT ALPA brothers and sisters to mainline. Place regional flying on a par with the old commuter days and STOP blurring the lines between the two...This strategy has proved to be a dismal failure for every regional that has tried to "improve" their contract.
I venture my viewpoint may not be very popular, but I think it is realistic and reflects the current state of the industry. Furthermore, I think my approach will fuel an improvement by the market forces of supply and demand in the hiring of pilots at the entry-level. This juvenile bickering has to stop also, we look like a bunch of petulant 6th graders arguing over who's team is better.

 

How in the world will that ever happen when regional airlines are operating bigger and bigger aircraft while doing it for much cheaper than any mainline operation?

 

Really? We did damage? Our Contract and Payrates will be in line with all the other regionals. Even those that operate 175's if we get them. Our pay and workrules will be in line with Compass, better then Mesa and much better then Republic. So we didn't lower any bar. We didn't raise it but we basically kept it where it was.
Did you know Eagle was trying to take away Piedmont's Flow slots? Sounds like a Me Mentality to "me." All the time Envoy wanted to hose PDT also so don't give crap about the good for all.

PDT held the line for many, many years and we've been screwed over for many many years. Honestly it feels good to get something done.

My problem is when someone from Republic or Mesa chimes in and thinks we've screwed them over also. Really??? Before you start busting on Piedmont maybe learn some of our history first and it will explain a ton about how we voted.

 

I think it's than not then

 

Myopic view point.

But indicative of severe "Stockholm Syndrome"...