TSA getting 15 airplanes to fly for AA.
11-22-2014, 11:47 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by TeamRamRod
Shut. Up. Do you not have anything better to do on a Saturday morning than waste 15 minutes typing this garbage? I type pretty quickly, so it took 3 minutes, not 15. People are specifically requesting to table this contract measuring contest that has plagued this thread for the past month. I'm not involved in any contest. I no longer work for a regional.
Are you bitter towards TSA because maybe they screwed you over in the past? Nope. If so, get over it. I haven't loved every place I've flown for either but you don't see me, and countless others, on other threads bashing those places and puffing our chests out. Actually, there are. But I'm not one of them. Move on. I did. I'm at United. Is that "moved on" enough for you?
YOU'RE LIVING IN THE PAST MAN. LIVE IN THE NOW!!!!!!!! I live in the now every day. Especially with my 2- and 3-day Hawaii layovers. Would you like me to send you a postcard?
How about we move on to some juicy rumors about when this new Delta flying announcement is coming? Maybe the one in the STC the other day that we're only hiring hooters waitresses for this new flying? I wouldn't put a lot of stock in DL flying, but that's just me. Stranger things have happened. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
Are you bitter towards TSA because maybe they screwed you over in the past? Nope. If so, get over it. I haven't loved every place I've flown for either but you don't see me, and countless others, on other threads bashing those places and puffing our chests out. Actually, there are. But I'm not one of them. Move on. I did. I'm at United. Is that "moved on" enough for you?
YOU'RE LIVING IN THE PAST MAN. LIVE IN THE NOW!!!!!!!! I live in the now every day. Especially with my 2- and 3-day Hawaii layovers. Would you like me to send you a postcard?
How about we move on to some juicy rumors about when this new Delta flying announcement is coming? Maybe the one in the STC the other day that we're only hiring hooters waitresses for this new flying? I wouldn't put a lot of stock in DL flying, but that's just me. Stranger things have happened. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
The obvious question you'll ask next is why am I on here. Two reasons: I once worked there, and still have friends there, so I like to stay aware of what their future is/isn't, and two, because this industry is so intertwined, I believe that we all have an interest in what is going on around us at both the regional and mainline levels.
11-22-2014, 11:54 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by OnCenterline
Your beef isn't with me...I didn't start the contractual comparisons. I merely commented on them, which anyone is free to do. Further, I simply pointed out that certain aspects of the TS contract are not as great as some like to believe. FAR 117 covers the basic work rules, but other sections need serious improvement. I'll point out that I also stand up for TS and TS management when such a position is appropriate. In fact, I promote TSA to pilots looking for a good "first" place to work, because it is that.
The obvious question you'll ask next is why am I on here. Two reasons: I once worked there, and still have friends there, so I like to stay aware of what their future is/isn't, and two, because this industry is so intertwined, I believe that we all have an interest in what is going on around us at both the regional and mainline levels.
The obvious question you'll ask next is why am I on here. Two reasons: I once worked there, and still have friends there, so I like to stay aware of what their future is/isn't, and two, because this industry is so intertwined, I believe that we all have an interest in what is going on around us at both the regional and mainline levels.
11-22-2014, 12:09 PM
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TSA getting 15 airplanes to fly for AA.
Reserve rules does need some work.. One thing I would like to see it a limit on last scheduled day. It should be mentioned that if you are volunteering on reserve, you will make good credit. 10 hours at the airport sucks, but you'll credit 90-100 hours.
The contract is above average for 50-seaters. Remember that it was signed in a tough time for the 50-seat market. Negotiations will start up again this spring, and there will only be improvements to the current one.
The contract is above average for 50-seaters. Remember that it was signed in a tough time for the 50-seat market. Negotiations will start up again this spring, and there will only be improvements to the current one.
11-22-2014, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Timma
I agree with you. The reserve rules are pretty awful.. Airport reserve is the worst.. As a whole the company is a good place to work at but reserve definitely needs to be fixed next contract.
Once again awful compared to what? Mainline? Of course it is. All regional contracts are awful when it comes to reserve because in general people don't spend a lot of time on reserve and improvements in this area tend to be a low priority in negotiations.
Keep in mind Centerline is a Comair guy and that is his reference for how bad this contract is. Go look at the reserve rules at Republic, Mesa, and a few others and come back and tell me how bad this contract is.
I once worked at a company that required you to check out at the end of every trip and junior manned people with reserves sitting at home. Expecting to have a couple of days off? Tough they can put a junior man on you when you check out while they have 10 reserves sitting at home.
Like I said. Is this contract perfect? No it is not. Could it be better? Yes it could. But it could be a hell of a lot worse too, which is something some of the Comair folks here fail to understand sometimes, including On Centerline.
11-22-2014, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by OnCenterline
Kat keeps trying to defend the TSA contract. It is not very good. The work rules are okay, and are essentially 117 now anyway. The reserve system is awful--unlimited airport reserve at 10 hours a sit with no virtual or pay credit; and the aforementioned long/short call issues, combined with giving the company the ability to totally hose you on the first and last day of reserve so that you have to commute on days off.
The sick accrual rate is really low, something like 2.5 hours or so a month. That's criminal, along with not being able to use it the first year, though Stamper is trying to address that.
The 401(k) is a joke. The funds aren't great and the matching is abysmal.
However, TS does operate on the lean, and that's why they got the planes. Overhead growth will be controlled, and much of the growth will be directly tied to the arrival of the planes, i.e., pilots, FA's, dispatchers, schedulers, etc. will only be added as the fleet grows, and those costs will be covered by the FFD.
It should indeed be noted and praised that no pay-cuts and/or concessions were taken to get this flying. For those that want to harp on PSA, they didn't take the concessions until AFTER Envoy turned them down.
Envoy pilots knew the risk they were taking, and the company could not make a threat to shut it down and then not follow through on it. I'm sure they did not expect to have to do so, but they were prepared. AMR is also counting on Envoy pilots recycling through to the TSA's and PSA's of the world, which will further reduce costs.
The sick accrual rate is really low, something like 2.5 hours or so a month. That's criminal, along with not being able to use it the first year, though Stamper is trying to address that.
The 401(k) is a joke. The funds aren't great and the matching is abysmal.
However, TS does operate on the lean, and that's why they got the planes. Overhead growth will be controlled, and much of the growth will be directly tied to the arrival of the planes, i.e., pilots, FA's, dispatchers, schedulers, etc. will only be added as the fleet grows, and those costs will be covered by the FFD.
It should indeed be noted and praised that no pay-cuts and/or concessions were taken to get this flying. For those that want to harp on PSA, they didn't take the concessions until AFTER Envoy turned them down.
Envoy pilots knew the risk they were taking, and the company could not make a threat to shut it down and then not follow through on it. I'm sure they did not expect to have to do so, but they were prepared. AMR is also counting on Envoy pilots recycling through to the TSA's and PSA's of the world, which will further reduce costs.
11-22-2014, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by OnCenterline
Your beef isn't with me...I didn't start the contractual comparisons. I merely commented on them, which anyone is free to do. Further, I simply pointed out that certain aspects of the TS contract are not as great as some like to believe. FAR 117 covers the basic work rules, but other sections need serious improvement. I'll point out that I also stand up for TS and TS management when such a position is appropriate. In fact, I promote TSA to pilots looking for a good "first" place to work, because it is that.
The obvious question you'll ask next is why am I on here. Two reasons: I once worked there, and still have friends there, so I like to stay aware of what their future is/isn't, and two, because this industry is so intertwined, I believe that we all have an interest in what is going on around us at both the regional and mainline levels.
The obvious question you'll ask next is why am I on here. Two reasons: I once worked there, and still have friends there, so I like to stay aware of what their future is/isn't, and two, because this industry is so intertwined, I believe that we all have an interest in what is going on around us at both the regional and mainline levels.
In the big picture, the regionals are what you make of them. Get in and get out if the industry allows it. If you're at a company for 3 years making 40K per year with a bad 401K, how much does that really lose you if you end up at UAL for the next 30 years? For a career guy at TSA, sure I understand.
The DAL comment was loaded with sarcasm, by the way. I'll pass on the postcard... Hawaii isn't my cup of tea. I get excited for Grand Rapids and Peoria overnights. Have a beer for me though. I'm sure we can at least agree on that.
11-22-2014, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverside
Been here a year and a half now and not once have I've ever been excited for a layover at grr or pia
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