TSA getting 15 airplanes to fly for AA.
11-22-2014, 06:24 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I've read threads on every board here. They all look like this with different names and different childish behavior. You're a pilot and will hate every other pilot because you are clearly better than them because you work for X and have y hours in a z. In reality, when it comes to how "good" you think you are, it's all about the cards you're dealt, the people you know, and luck.
Not whose awful contract is better than whose (with vitriolic hatred I might add).
11-22-2014, 08:54 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
Our work rules are above average. We get 100% leg by leg cancellation pay. The big thing we don't have are rigs or min days. We have an unlimited commuter clause (have to list for 2 flights).
Reserve rules are good for a regional airline. The big change we need to see in those rules are a longer call out for long call reserve and a limitation on how often the can put you from long to short call reserve. We have a decent 401K and sick time. The only thing that sucks about the sick time is you can't use it for one year.
Reserve rules are good for a regional airline. The big change we need to see in those rules are a longer call out for long call reserve and a limitation on how often the can put you from long to short call reserve. We have a decent 401K and sick time. The only thing that sucks about the sick time is you can't use it for one year.
The sick accrual rate is really low, something like 2.5 hours or so a month. That's criminal, along with not being able to use it the first year, though Stamper is trying to address that.
The 401(k) is a joke. The funds aren't great and the matching is abysmal.
However, TS does operate on the lean, and that's why they got the planes. Overhead growth will be controlled, and much of the growth will be directly tied to the arrival of the planes, i.e., pilots, FA's, dispatchers, schedulers, etc. will only be added as the fleet grows, and those costs will be covered by the FFD.
It should indeed be noted and praised that no pay-cuts and/or concessions were taken to get this flying. For those that want to harp on PSA, they didn't take the concessions until AFTER Envoy turned them down.
Envoy pilots knew the risk they were taking, and the company could not make a threat to shut it down and then not follow through on it. I'm sure they did not expect to have to do so, but they were prepared. AMR is also counting on Envoy pilots recycling through to the TSA's and PSA's of the world, which will further reduce costs.
11-22-2014, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by OnCenterline
Kat keeps trying to defend the TSA contract. It is not very good. The work rules are okay, and are essentially 117 now anyway. The reserve system is awful--unlimited airport reserve at 10 hours a sit with no virtual or pay credit; and the aforementioned long/short call issues, combined with giving the company the ability to totally hose you on the first and last day of reserve so that you have to commute on days off.
The sick accrual rate is really low, something like 2.5 hours or so a month. That's criminal, along with not being able to use it the first year, though Stamper is trying to address that.
The 401(k) is a joke. The funds aren't great and the matching is abysmal.
However, TS does operate on the lean, and that's why they got the planes. Overhead growth will be controlled, and much of the growth will be directly tied to the arrival of the planes, i.e., pilots, FA's, dispatchers, schedulers, etc. will only be added as the fleet grows, and those costs will be covered by the FFD.
It should indeed be noted and praised that no pay-cuts and/or concessions were taken to get this flying. For those that want to harp on PSA, they didn't take the concessions until AFTER Envoy turned them down.
Envoy pilots knew the risk they were taking, and the company could not make a threat to shut it down and then not follow through on it. I'm sure they did not expect to have to do so, but they were prepared. AMR is also counting on Envoy pilots recycling through to the TSA's and PSA's of the world, which will further reduce costs.
The sick accrual rate is really low, something like 2.5 hours or so a month. That's criminal, along with not being able to use it the first year, though Stamper is trying to address that.
The 401(k) is a joke. The funds aren't great and the matching is abysmal.
However, TS does operate on the lean, and that's why they got the planes. Overhead growth will be controlled, and much of the growth will be directly tied to the arrival of the planes, i.e., pilots, FA's, dispatchers, schedulers, etc. will only be added as the fleet grows, and those costs will be covered by the FFD.
It should indeed be noted and praised that no pay-cuts and/or concessions were taken to get this flying. For those that want to harp on PSA, they didn't take the concessions until AFTER Envoy turned them down.
Envoy pilots knew the risk they were taking, and the company could not make a threat to shut it down and then not follow through on it. I'm sure they did not expect to have to do so, but they were prepared. AMR is also counting on Envoy pilots recycling through to the TSA's and PSA's of the world, which will further reduce costs.
11-22-2014, 10:37 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
Reserve rules have changed since you were here. This isn't the only place I've worked and I can say for the regional industry our rules are average to above average. Is it as good as ExpressJet, Eagle or Comair was? No. But it isn't Mesa or Gojet either.
But, I do know this: the insurance is (for an airline) expensive, and 401(k) leaves a lot to be desired. There are ways to address the 401(k) in the CBA down the road, but as it stands, it's awful. It shouldn't be enough to say that it is on par with that of other regionals.
One thing you will not truly appreciate is the difference between what you have, and what could be, until you get what to experience even a modest step up. Then you'll look back and say, "How did I put up with that for so long?"
11-22-2014, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by OnCenterline
Kat keeps trying to defend the TSA contract. It is not very good. The work rules are okay, and are essentially 117 now anyway. The reserve system is awful--unlimited airport reserve at 10 hours a sit with no virtual or pay credit; and the aforementioned long/short call issues, combined with giving the company the ability to totally hose you on the first and last day of reserve so that you have to commute on days off.
The sick accrual rate is really low, something like 2.5 hours or so a month. That's criminal, along with not being able to use it the first year, though Stamper is trying to address that.
The 401(k) is a joke. The funds aren't great and the matching is abysmal.
However, TS does operate on the lean, and that's why they got the planes. Overhead growth will be controlled, and much of the growth will be directly tied to the arrival of the planes, i.e., pilots, FA's, dispatchers, schedulers, etc. will only be added as the fleet grows, and those costs will be covered by the FFD.
It should indeed be noted and praised that no pay-cuts and/or concessions were taken to get this flying. For those that want to harp on PSA, they didn't take the concessions until AFTER Envoy turned them down.
Envoy pilots knew the risk they were taking, and the company could not make a threat to shut it down and then not follow through on it. I'm sure they did not expect to have to do so, but they were prepared. AMR is also counting on Envoy pilots recycling through to the TSA's and PSA's of the world, which will further reduce costs.
The sick accrual rate is really low, something like 2.5 hours or so a month. That's criminal, along with not being able to use it the first year, though Stamper is trying to address that.
The 401(k) is a joke. The funds aren't great and the matching is abysmal.
However, TS does operate on the lean, and that's why they got the planes. Overhead growth will be controlled, and much of the growth will be directly tied to the arrival of the planes, i.e., pilots, FA's, dispatchers, schedulers, etc. will only be added as the fleet grows, and those costs will be covered by the FFD.
It should indeed be noted and praised that no pay-cuts and/or concessions were taken to get this flying. For those that want to harp on PSA, they didn't take the concessions until AFTER Envoy turned them down.
Envoy pilots knew the risk they were taking, and the company could not make a threat to shut it down and then not follow through on it. I'm sure they did not expect to have to do so, but they were prepared. AMR is also counting on Envoy pilots recycling through to the TSA's and PSA's of the world, which will further reduce costs.
Shut. Up. Do you not have anything better to do on a Saturday morning than waste 15 minutes typing this garbage? People are specifically requesting to table this contract measuring contest that has plagued this thread for the past month.
Are you bitter towards TSA because maybe they screwed you over in the past? If so, get over it. I haven't loved every place I've flown for either but you don't see me, and countless others, on other threads bashing those places and puffing our chests out. Move on.
YOU'RE LIVING IN THE PAST MAN. LIVE IN THE NOW!!!!!!!!
How about we move on to some juicy rumors about when this new Delta flying announcement is coming? Maybe the one in the STC the other day that we're only hiring hooters waitresses for this new flying?
11-22-2014, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by OnCenterline
I've been gone about 18 months, so I don't what has or has not changed regarding work rules since then. If it's better than it was when I was there, that's great. But the problem (with regionals in general, not just TSA) is that it doesn't take much to improve QOL, especially for reserves, without having a huge impact on the bottom line. In fact, it could even improve the bottom line.
But, I do know this: the insurance is (for an airline) expensive, and 401(k) leaves a lot to be desired. There are ways to address the 401(k) in the CBA down the road, but as it stands, it's awful. It shouldn't be enough to say that it is on par with that of other regionals.
One thing you will not truly appreciate is the difference between what you have, and what could be, until you get what to experience even a modest step up. Then you'll look back and say, "How did I put up with that for so long?"
But, I do know this: the insurance is (for an airline) expensive, and 401(k) leaves a lot to be desired. There are ways to address the 401(k) in the CBA down the road, but as it stands, it's awful. It shouldn't be enough to say that it is on par with that of other regionals.
One thing you will not truly appreciate is the difference between what you have, and what could be, until you get what to experience even a modest step up. Then you'll look back and say, "How did I put up with that for so long?"
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