This is what a pilot shortage really does
#21
Pure speculation, but I think the future at regional is for slightly higher salaries for a number of years to bring some of the marginally interested pilots out of the woodwork. Gradually they'll raise pay and working conditions as we are already seeing at Lakes, CommutAir and a few others. They are extremely reluctant to dramatically raise pay because once that happens it is impossible to put the cat back in the bag. We'll see piddling raises for years to keep the marginal people coming. Airlines are very good at chiseling costs and will not stop doing that any time soon but I doubt we'll see any of them fold due to lack of pilots.
#22
Pure speculation, but I think the future at regional is for slightly higher salaries for a number of years to bring some of the marginally interested pilots out of the woodwork. Gradually they'll raise pay and working conditions as we are already seeing at Lakes, CommutAir and a few others. They are extremely reluctant to dramatically raise pay because once that happens it is impossible to put the cat back in the bag. We'll see piddling raises for years to keep the marginal people coming. Airlines are very good at chiseling costs and will not stop doing that any time soon but I doubt we'll see any of them fold due to lack of pilots.
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Pure speculation, but I think the future at regional is for slightly higher salaries for a number of years to bring some of the marginally interested pilots out of the woodwork. Gradually they'll raise pay and working conditions as we are already seeing at Lakes, CommutAir and a few others. They are extremely reluctant to dramatically raise pay because once that happens it is impossible to put the cat back in the bag. We'll see piddling raises for years to keep the marginal people coming. Airlines are very good at chiseling costs and will not stop doing that any time soon but I doubt we'll see any of them fold due to lack of pilots.
For most new-hires (the shortage position), that's perhaps an extra $4000/year or $77/week. Is that going to draw people making $60-150K in other fields to "realize their dream" ?
How about high-school seniors who need to convince mom and dad another $50-60K ABIOVE normal college costs is worth it ?
I STRONGLY doubt that will help.
How about a $50,000 minimum starting salary ?
OK, but now you've got costs that can't be supported by the aircrafts ability to generate enough profit and they're screwed on the other end. At that point, it makes more sense to return that flying to mainline, where more seat revenue is available to offset costs. Nope, they've flown themselves up a canyon and (like it or not) have insufficient power to fly themselves out. All they can do now is shuffle pieces around and ride the attrition until that doesn't work either (and that's approaching very FAST). Then, they can only burn what little furniture is left to heat the house until it's time to abandon the house.
Hey,.........just like virtually everything in this world, the regionals also had a limited life-span (heck, they even use "disposable" jets) and it couldn't last like that forever. It's the ultimate irony that the very thing that gave regionals their viability and popularity (low labor costs) will be the very thing that ultimately results in their demise because no one wants to make such a bad financial and emotional investment in it anymore.
Poor, poor executives. What are they to do ?
#25
The regional model may be flawed beyond repair, but what I'm speculating will happen is small changes not big ones. Increase pilot pay just enough get the fence straddlers through the door. I'm really not speculating, this is what's going on now. People always bought the dream more than the actual job which will continue for a while longer. And sure it's wrong, always was, but it works too well to stop doing any time soon.
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The regional model may be flawed beyond repair, but what I'm speculating will happen is small changes not big ones. Increase pilot pay just enough get the fence straddlers through the door. I'm really not speculating, this is what's going on now. People always bought the dream more than the actual job which will continue for a while longer. And sure it's wrong, always was, but it works too well to stop doing any time soon.
Any way you slice it, the regionals are ****ed.
#27
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Proof that the majors never intended for regional airlines to be "regional". Even at the creation of the RJ they planned on using it to "exploit long, thin routes. " interesting choice of words back in the 90's considering what has transpired over the last decade and how regionals have been treated
1989: Bombardier Launches The Regional Jet Era | From The Archives
Proof that the majors never intended for regional airlines to be "regional". Even at the creation of the RJ they planned on using it to "exploit long, thin routes. " interesting choice of words back in the 90's considering what has transpired over the last decade and how regionals have been treated
1989: Bombardier Launches The Regional Jet Era | From The Archives
#28
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Proof that the majors never intended for regional airlines to be "regional". Even at the creation of the RJ they planned on using it to "exploit long, thin routes. " interesting choice of words back in the 90's considering what has transpired over the last decade and how regionals have been treated
1989: Bombardier Launches The Regional Jet Era | From The Archives
Proof that the majors never intended for regional airlines to be "regional". Even at the creation of the RJ they planned on using it to "exploit long, thin routes. " interesting choice of words back in the 90's considering what has transpired over the last decade and how regionals have been treated
1989: Bombardier Launches The Regional Jet Era | From The Archives
80's when this thing was on drawing board? 25 bucks a barrell ?
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SkyWest isn't losing the Bros or those cities because of a pilot shortage. The Bro is too expensive to fly because of part availability and part suppliers no longer doing business. It's lost its economic advantage. Chico and Redding need more funding to add the CRJ.
No pilot shortage on SKW side. Great Mistakes airline on the other hand has a shortage of qualified volunteers/interns to fly their routes.
No pilot shortage on SKW side. Great Mistakes airline on the other hand has a shortage of qualified volunteers/interns to fly their routes.
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My school can't get cfi's, they are having to offer 5 k signing bonuses along with new a20's and a iPad. More then any regional is doing. Standardization is saying they are still having trouble as we are tremendously under staffed. Have about 50 cfi's they need it in the 75 range.
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