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Old 12-06-2014 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
PRIA records are still held by airlines. Airmen records are supposedly being digitized in OKC.

For a government agency to undertake a massive IT effort such as scanning millions of documents or setting up a massive database (like a centralized PRIA database), funding is required. Manpower is required.

The FAA operates on a shoestring budget with a minimal staff that is constantly fluctuating with every reauthorization act/administration. After repeated series of Republican budget cuts at the Federal level over the last decade, it shouldn't surprise anyone that things are still stored on microfilm in OKC.
It's now Federal Law so the FAA will have to put into play. When, is anyone's guess. But the agency does not have a choice. Much of this was driven by political pressure from the legislators of the state of NY after the Colgan crash.
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Old 12-06-2014 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
It's now Federal Law so the FAA will have to put into play. When, is anyone's guess. But the agency does not have a choice. Much of this was driven by political pressure from the legislators of the state of NY after the Colgan crash.
So basically it would just be easier for the prospective companies to find out about check ride busts and incidents/accidents?
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Old 12-07-2014 | 07:36 AM
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So basically it would just be easier for the prospective companies to find out about check ride busts and incidents/accidents?
Pretty much the case. No more paperwork. Click. There is a provision to allow the pilot to access the records (to verify correct info). Three parties can get it: 135/121 employers, representatives of 121/135 employers (background check companies), and the pilot. There was an attempt to include 91 employers but it was not enacted.

The validity of PRIA is entirely based on the perception of the potential employer. It's just data. But I want my data correct. Not disclosing a failure could bite you. Even written test results are included. As to microfiche, something had to happen to all those 8710s before IACRA and bubble sheets before computerized testing!
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Old 12-07-2014 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
Pretty much the case. No more paperwork. Click. There is a provision to allow the pilot to access the records (to verify correct info). Three parties can get it: 135/121 employers, representatives of 121/135 employers (background check companies), and the pilot. There was an attempt to include 91 employers but it was not enacted.

The validity of PRIA is entirely based on the perception of the potential employer. It's just data. But I want my data correct. Not disclosing a failure could bite you. Even written test results are included. As to microfiche, something had to happen to all those 8710s before IACRA and bubble sheets before computerized testing!
I would assume airline hr departments have to love this. Major major paperwork reduction for new hire classes.
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Old 12-07-2014 | 09:05 AM
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Anything and everything that is FAA regulated it will be on the PRIA records. Don't be amazed if stage check will show up too.
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Old 12-07-2014 | 10:09 AM
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This is from the official FAA website:

http://www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/p...oia_and_pa.pdf

On part 1-1 Actions Required to be Reported by PRIA it states that
"fully adjudicated and closed enforcement cases are required to be, and are reported by PRIA for the 5-year period preceding the date on the application"

Part 2-3 talks about "Expunctions" it basically says that only suspension actions, civil penalties and revocations are non expungeable.
As I keep reading I see on part 2-3b that even accidents and incidents are expungeable after 5 years.

I am no lawyer but it seems to me like most things will be expunged of your record after a period of time.
This info is in the FAA website today, so I doubt it is outdated.

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Old 12-07-2014 | 05:08 PM
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This is existing PRIA, not the new soon to be enacted version. I've got a manilla file folder a half inch thick with ancillary documents and legal interpretations. I keep all journalistic notes, recordings, etc. for three years. I can't access now because I'm in initial for the A320 and my files are in DFW. However, in my article I list specific documents that you can research and draw your own conclusions.

I've tried to lay out what's coming but it seems a tough sell. I wrote the piece because I thought pilots needed to be aware of what's in store. I've done my due diligence as a journalist. I give up. On to the next story for me. Again, if you want a copy PM me as I'm not going to narcissistically self-promote my website by linking it on this forum.
I addressed the topic as sort of a PSA to begin with. For those that will take the time, HR5900 (from the congressional website) is a good place to start. Yes, you can Google it.

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Old 12-07-2014 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
This is existing PRIA, not the new soon to be enacted version. I've got a manilla file folder a half inch thick with ancillary documents and legal interpretations. I keep all journalistic notes, recordings, etc. for three years. I can't access now because I'm in initial for the A320 and my files are in DFW. I've tried to lay out what's coming but there's nothing but resistance and invalid arguments in return. I wrote the piece because I though pilots need to be aware of what's in store. I've done my due diligence as a journalist. I give up. On to the next story for me.
Do all airlines use a standard format for training records?
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Old 12-07-2014 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CaYaTeKbron
Anything and everything that is FAA regulated it will be on the PRIA records. Don't be amazed if stage check will show up too.
Stage checks may be aso called PRIA record, but not the record the airline sees as a part of pre-employment screening.

Your part 91 busts are part of your permanent record, but not in the 121 PRIA scheme of things. Airlines are required to check with FAA database for 121 issues etc.
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Old 12-07-2014 | 06:04 PM
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I think the best thing everyone can do is request their PRIA before applying so you have the opportunity to explain it before it is found out.
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