So now having a little decorum on the Internet and NOT acting like a child is also considered PC?

 

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
At 1800/200 I was one of the lowest in my class at Great Lakes in the late 90s. At ASA, with 2500/500 turbine I was still on the low side. To fly a Brasilia at both places mind you.

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And yet, at a symposium earlier this year , Republic Airways Holdings C.E.O. Bedford told us that 1500+ hour new-hire pilots were not as safe as 300 - 500 hour pilots and that he would prefer to hire the 300 - 500 hour pilot, (not because they're cheaper and more plentiful than 1500 hour pilots, but) because they were easier to train and had not yet had an opportunity to develop "bad habits".

Of course the irony of Rev. Bedford's assertion is that in the 1990's an earlier 2000's, regional airlines, (including those where Bedford was CEO,; RAH and Mesaba), posted new-hire pilot minimums of 1000 - 1500 hours back when the supply of pilots was plentiful.

So which is it, Rev.? Did you choose to hire unsafe pilots back in the 1990's and early 2000's or are you "forced" to hire unsafe (1500+ hour) pilots now?

 

I know you were just trolling, but what % of regional pilots do you really think have no college degree? Based on the ones I've met over the last 15 years, I'd put that at 10% or less.

And really, what the H does drinking your way to an ERAU "degree" really do to boost one's maturity anyhow?

And since you want to "go there" why are the asinine sounds and poop comments on guard any less mature than the crusty mainline pilot who picks up the mic and screams "YOU'RE ON GUARD!!!" anytime anyone accidentally transmits on that frequency?

 

I'd bet 50% of regional pilots hired in the last year don't a have a degree. What that means, I don't know.

With schools like AllATP's advertising 2 years from zero time to E175 right seat it's no wonder why the overall level of maturity has dropped. A regional airline job has become really easy to get. People who can't hack a 4 year school are dropping out and going to a pilot mill, flying around 76 seaters with no interview.

 

And yet, the mature, seasoned regional Captains with college degrees, clean records and thousands of hours jet PIC time can't get interviewed unless they spend thousands of dollars to attend 5 job fairs.

 

Sad truth.

Ask some of the legacy CA's flying with new hires that are of the pure civilian demographic who has the worst attitude and air or entitlement. And is the biggest PITA to fly with.

It's not the RJ CA that grunted out the dark decade, it's the mid-late 20's RJ FO that spent maybe a few years at the regional and was able to get picked up at the legacy after his "grueling" years at a regional.

 

FWIW, every civilian newhire that I've had are what you describe.

Maybe you're doing it wrong?

 

I don't see much point in this thread. I have flown with pilots from all mainlines and some regionals. I didn't find much difference between any groups. I only found it hard to know if someone is trying to defend their ego or the company they work for.

 

I was not trolling. Just trying to make sense of the immaturity that does seem to be on the rise in the lower levels of the industry.

There are FAR more than 10% with no degree at XJT. I would guess minimum 15-25%. Not finishing college does not make someone automatically less mature or a less fine a person or pilot, but finishing a degree simply shows you can finish something that takes some time and dedication and cannot be done in a year or so like flight training. Finishing a Master's shows even more dedication. If it is not that important an indicator, why is it essentially required at the majors right now? For LCCs it may increasingly be a negative to have a degree, because you will be able to move on much more easily.

The majors will end up taking anyone with demonstrated airline ability when they have no other options (the B-Team), and even then the interviews will be adjusted to sort the true undesirables from the acceptable B-Team. Until then, they will just need to entertain themselves heavy-breathing on guard and writing "poop" on the internet boards. I have heard guys from major hiring circles actually use that term, "B-Team" so don't shoot the messenger.

 

I LOL'd when I read this.