Pilot Shortage (2015 Embry Riddle summit)
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I have never had a former student from any aviation college tell me what they owed in student loans. What I have been told in the past was something like $930 to $1200 dollars was being paid a month to pay off these loans. These figures are about 7 years old.
I told them that those amounts are more than what I paid in mortgage for my first three homes in California.
I told them that those amounts are more than what I paid in mortgage for my first three homes in California.
#352
...You can get a BS in Physics (or engineering, mathematics, or many other fields) from one of the best universities in the country for less than $65k in state tuition (including tuition/room/board/books/etc...) and then do your flight training part 61 for less than $35k. In-state tuition at some of the best state universities are about $3500 a semester.
These flight cadets with $150 college loans are a funny breed in my view. The real goal seems to be prestige rather than a reasonable paying job.
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"I still insist that getting rid of seniority at the regional level would solve the issue of low pay and simultaneously eliminate the "pilot shortage.""
That would make the career more attractive and more guys would want to become pilots...BUT is would not help the shortage...because you need a LOT OF MONEY to become a pilot...way more relative to the average income thann in the past, AND you can't get a bank loan anymore to pay for all your training, like u could in the past...
That would make the career more attractive and more guys would want to become pilots...BUT is would not help the shortage...because you need a LOT OF MONEY to become a pilot...way more relative to the average income thann in the past, AND you can't get a bank loan anymore to pay for all your training, like u could in the past...
There is also a large number of experienced airline captains who walk away from the career every year because they either can't or don't want to work for their specific company anymore and are unwilling to start their entire career over from the bottom to change companies in the same job.
Changing companies laterally while retaining the benefits of professional experience is something that every other professional is able to do except airline pilots. In other industries it happens all the time. There are a large number of valid reasons someone may wish to change companies within the same job capacity.
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"I personally don't believe the legacy carriers give a squat either way. Why should they, you can't make them!"
DAL/UAL/AA are deeply concerned, because the don't want to park airplanes. They realize unless something changes, that they will not have enough pilots to man their aircraft because of the worsening Pilot Shortage. I am taking about MAINLINE aircraft...not RJs!
DAL/UAL/AA are deeply concerned, because the don't want to park airplanes. They realize unless something changes, that they will not have enough pilots to man their aircraft because of the worsening Pilot Shortage. I am taking about MAINLINE aircraft...not RJs!
What will likely happen is the majors will simply take back the flying from the B scale salary regionals they contract to and be forced to expand their own staffing. Which means they will find a different creative way to reduce labor costs.
#356
Again, ad nauseum, mainline/legacy/etc carriers will never have a shortage of able bodied, qualified, applicants.
Regionals, yes. Entry level freight dog jobs, rust bucket Navajos and Barons, yes. Also, we are in Year-7 of a bull stockmarket (arguably started mid-2008), it is time for another crash. When it does, all this "planned hiring" etc etc will stop.
Regionals, yes. Entry level freight dog jobs, rust bucket Navajos and Barons, yes. Also, we are in Year-7 of a bull stockmarket (arguably started mid-2008), it is time for another crash. When it does, all this "planned hiring" etc etc will stop.
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That's what I did (engineering) and the end total was a bit more than that for the flying certs, but not a lot. No loans for flight training, I paid as I went.
These flight cadets with $150 college loans are a funny breed in my view. The real goal seems to be prestige rather than a reasonable paying job.
These flight cadets with $150 college loans are a funny breed in my view. The real goal seems to be prestige rather than a reasonable paying job.
But still a lot less than the $200,000 + program at the university where I used to instruct.
The bottom line is that it is getting harder and harder to graduate from college without incurring a massive amount of debt.
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Since the 1870's however, the bull markets have far outweighed the bear, both in duration and in net gains. Sorry, but the bulls always outweigh the bears, and each subsequent bear market is better than the previous.
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Again, ad nauseum, mainline/legacy/etc carriers will never have a shortage of able bodied, qualified, applicants.
Regionals, yes. Entry level freight dog jobs, rust bucket Navajos and Barons, yes. Also, we are in Year-7 of a bull stockmarket (arguably started mid-2008), it is time for another crash. When it does, all this "planned hiring" etc etc will stop.
Regionals, yes. Entry level freight dog jobs, rust bucket Navajos and Barons, yes. Also, we are in Year-7 of a bull stockmarket (arguably started mid-2008), it is time for another crash. When it does, all this "planned hiring" etc etc will stop.

When was the last crash pre-9/11?
#360
I believe the current Bull market began on 3/9/09. Yes, it has been several years, but it is not uncommon for them to last 8 years (longest was 9 and change if I remember correctly).
Since the 1870's however, the bull markets have far outweighed the bear, both in duration and in net gains. Sorry, but the bulls always outweigh the bears, and each subsequent bear market is better than the previous.
Since the 1870's however, the bull markets have far outweighed the bear, both in duration and in net gains. Sorry, but the bulls always outweigh the bears, and each subsequent bear market is better than the previous.
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