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Old 03-31-2015, 01:15 PM
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So...are you gonna call people out that you suspect are using multiple screennames to bolster themselves or simply let such an accusation linger?

Also, I don't spend much time on tech forums, but I don't think I've ever seen anybody defend Comcast or Time Warner on the interwebs.
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Old 03-31-2015, 02:19 PM
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If you hang out on the forums long enough they tend to expose themselves through inconsistencies. Unfortunately it's pretty easy to get multiple accounts, which is why I encourage use of the IP lookup box on the left lower corner of each post. The more people do this, the more the boards will be full of good citizens.
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If you hang out on the forums long enough they tend to expose themselves through inconsistencies. Unfortunately it's pretty easy to get multiple accounts, which is why I encourage use of the IP lookup box on the left lower corner of each post. The more people do this, the more the boards will be full of good citizens.
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It's just a vbulletin setting, flip it on, takes 2 seconds.
I guess I don't know what you're talking about. You know of an always-on toggle switch for IP address? (Sorry about the off-topic.)
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I think only mods and admins can see that info. Otherwise it's a pretty significant privacy breach.
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP View Post
The issue with regional airlines raising pay for pilots to levels "commiserate with experience" is this pesky issue of revenue.

Regional airlines operating under a fee-for-departure agreement are like a retiree on social security: their revenue is fixed. As such, when costs go up, profit drops. Costs go up enough and profit disappears, and the company ceases as a going concern.

Legacy airlines have negotiated EXTREMELY tight capacity lift agreements with their regional partners, such that regional margins are exceedingly low, WELL below what the average pilot expects their 401k return to be. As such, in many cases even if regional airline management wanted to pay going market wages per the labor supply/demand graph, they simply can't.

Of course, mainline partners could simply pay them more to cover the additional costs of this...but they won't.

Problems are never quite as simple as they seem, nor their solutions quite as easy...



In light of the current extremely high load factors, with many flights continually oversold, do you really think mainline management can afford not to pay more for their feed? How much revenue would they lose not just from losing the feed itself(due to lack of crews), but the additional revenue from loss of those same passengers connecting to the mainline flights that are being fed in the hubs?
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Originally Posted by NineGturn View Post
I would just add that last point in that equipment and base selection should be on an availability basis...no more forced displacements by senior guys and no more entitlement bidding so guys spend more time in training collecting type ratings than they do on the line. Airlines can save tremendous amounts of money by offering those new positions to either qualified new hires or junior people elsewhere within the system who may already be qualified.

Saving money on training costs will allow more money to be allocated to compensation since in the end...it's all lumped together as labor costs for pilots as far as management is concerned.





I really like your ideas and I've been saying this for years.

I once worked for a small commuter airline (a long time ago in an airport far far away) that operated turboprops and was non union. We had a unique pay structure that was very much in line with what you are saying here. I know because I wrote the proposal and handed it to the owner directly. I argued that we could reduce training costs and turnover this way. The owner signed off on it and our turnover dropped dramatically at a time when scheduled carriers were hiring aggressively. No one took a pay cut because they were grandfathered in.

I understood that most of the pilots were just building time. One of the policies was to upgrade first officers to captain when they were ready rather than when we needed them and to do it based on their scheduled annual training to reduce costs. Their pay would still remain lower than a captain until the job became available (when they flew with other first officers) but in the meantime they could sign for the aircraft and build PIC time while earning a bit more money and continuing to fly with co captains. This prevented them from jumping to other commuters where they would start at the bottom as new hire FOs.

This policy also allowed us to hire captains from competing commuters by offering them more money for the same equipment. Back then you could factor in a pilot's currency in one airline to reduce training costs at the new airline. The airlines pushed to eliminate this because they were losing pilots to smaller operators.

The fact is there is a better way to do this but ALPA and management don't want it and they still push the old myths and propaganda to try to keep pilots in line. That's why you see the disruptive posts in these forums..they are in here too.


Which small commuter was this?
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