Is flow really a big deal?
06-15-2015 | 07:34 AM
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From: GV Captain
Your delusion and yes........more spin. The FACTS prove that historically those hired from the "street" since AA started hiring comprised a wide range of backgrounds including civilian regional F/O's and captains, interns and military, even some corporate.
Your bull**** knows no boundaries.
It's you who has become sad (and AFAIC, your eventual presence at AA will be a sad day for those of us already here
). I'd love to see most Envoy pilots get here in 6 years and by that time I'll likely be flying with some of them (but, hopefully never with you), but again that is NOT guaranteed as you endlessly parrot on these forums ad nauseum. For the record, even if most of the present junior Envoy F/O's get delayed 10 years (which is unlikely), they'd STILL have faster AA career progression then I did if they are younger than 40 and good for them. I'm happy with my situation in life and at AA and have no regrets or sour grapes and I realize this disappoints you forcing you to fabricate and spin even more. Considering you're 48 and will be flowing fairly soon, you DO realize you're in a riskier boat then me and for that I'm happy too. 
If something unforeseen occurs and you end up stagnated at the very bottom or furloughed, don't expect any tears from me.
They may indeed attempt to use the flow to attract pilots, but if so, I'm convinced it will be far less successful then they had planned forcing them to try another tack. In fact, I hear that AA street hires may be delayed until Fall to temporarily accelerate Envoy flows to the AA side to right-size Envoy faster and alter the timing of the PPA to coincide with a certain plan they have for Envoy. Sounds like good news for 824 pilots, but it's another example of how things can change quickly and that NOTHING is certain for the future, including the PPA flow or Envoy's present make-up. This may simply be a "test run" to see if giving the impression of having that model really brings in the people they'll need like other regional pilots, military, etc. As for "sabotaging" AAG or Envoy's recruiting tool, that's absurd. I'm simply one opinion on a pilot forum. The only thing I'm doing is countering self-serving bull**** artists like you from deliberately spinning information and providing disinformation in the attempt to misrepresent the situation at Envoy to make up for your own boneheaded moves over the last year or so that got you into the present situation you're in while concurrently greasing your own ride OUT of Envoy leaving those behind you to fend for themselves.
Personally, I think you're the worst union rep in the history of the profession.
Your bull**** knows no boundaries.
It's you who has become sad (and AFAIC, your eventual presence at AA will be a sad day for those of us already here
). I'd love to see most Envoy pilots get here in 6 years and by that time I'll likely be flying with some of them (but, hopefully never with you), but again that is NOT guaranteed as you endlessly parrot on these forums ad nauseum. For the record, even if most of the present junior Envoy F/O's get delayed 10 years (which is unlikely), they'd STILL have faster AA career progression then I did if they are younger than 40 and good for them. I'm happy with my situation in life and at AA and have no regrets or sour grapes and I realize this disappoints you forcing you to fabricate and spin even more. Considering you're 48 and will be flowing fairly soon, you DO realize you're in a riskier boat then me and for that I'm happy too. If something unforeseen occurs and you end up stagnated at the very bottom or furloughed, don't expect any tears from me.They may indeed attempt to use the flow to attract pilots, but if so, I'm convinced it will be far less successful then they had planned forcing them to try another tack. In fact, I hear that AA street hires may be delayed until Fall to temporarily accelerate Envoy flows to the AA side to right-size Envoy faster and alter the timing of the PPA to coincide with a certain plan they have for Envoy. Sounds like good news for 824 pilots, but it's another example of how things can change quickly and that NOTHING is certain for the future, including the PPA flow or Envoy's present make-up. This may simply be a "test run" to see if giving the impression of having that model really brings in the people they'll need like other regional pilots, military, etc. As for "sabotaging" AAG or Envoy's recruiting tool, that's absurd. I'm simply one opinion on a pilot forum. The only thing I'm doing is countering self-serving bull**** artists like you from deliberately spinning information and providing disinformation in the attempt to misrepresent the situation at Envoy to make up for your own boneheaded moves over the last year or so that got you into the present situation you're in while concurrently greasing your own ride OUT of Envoy leaving those behind you to fend for themselves.
Personally, I think you're the worst union rep in the history of the profession.
06-15-2015 | 08:30 AM
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This coming from a guy like you who boasted in the past repeatedly how he voted yes for concessions at Envoy that didn't affect him because of his seniority and that he didn't care what others thought because those deals were "good for me" ?
That's ACTIVELY throwing others under the bus for one's own benefit and aside from being a pathological liar and opportunist, you're statement is of no surprise. Heck, you wrote the book on being "cold" in this business. I on the other hand simply wouldn't lose any sleep (or shed a tear) if factors that are prone to periodically occur resulted in exactly that to someone who HIMSELF is cut of the same cloth as you. Cujo is here spinning Envoy in what amounts to a Pyramid scheme to convince others to become the lower tiers of the Pyramid to assist in the advancement and enrichment of the upper tiers which includes himself. I took a risk coming to AA and being junior and so will he, which was one point.
Should unfortunate circumstances result in the very risk and uncertainty I highlight in both coming to Envoy with no concrete commitment from AAG and only unsubstantiated promises and projections or flowing and being junior at AA at a potentially volatile time, it would only be the boomerang he is throwing here for his own benefit and advancement coming back around to hit him square in the kisser and who could cry for someone like that who has no problem throwing boomerang's like that ?
Did your GV program crash again ?
That's ACTIVELY throwing others under the bus for one's own benefit and aside from being a pathological liar and opportunist, you're statement is of no surprise. Heck, you wrote the book on being "cold" in this business. I on the other hand simply wouldn't lose any sleep (or shed a tear) if factors that are prone to periodically occur resulted in exactly that to someone who HIMSELF is cut of the same cloth as you. Cujo is here spinning Envoy in what amounts to a Pyramid scheme to convince others to become the lower tiers of the Pyramid to assist in the advancement and enrichment of the upper tiers which includes himself. I took a risk coming to AA and being junior and so will he, which was one point.
Should unfortunate circumstances result in the very risk and uncertainty I highlight in both coming to Envoy with no concrete commitment from AAG and only unsubstantiated promises and projections or flowing and being junior at AA at a potentially volatile time, it would only be the boomerang he is throwing here for his own benefit and advancement coming back around to hit him square in the kisser and who could cry for someone like that who has no problem throwing boomerang's like that ?
Did your GV program crash again ?
06-15-2015 | 08:37 AM
#133
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From: GV Captain
This coming from a guy like you who boasted in the past repeatedly how he voted yes for concessions at Envoy that didn't affect him because of his seniority and that he didn't care what others thought because those deals were "good for me" ?
That's ACTIVELY throwing others under the bus for one's own benefit and aside from being a pathological liar and opportunist, you're statement is of no surprise. Heck, you wrote the book on being "cold" in this business. I on the other hand simply wouldn't lose any sleep (or shed a tear) if factors that are prone to periodically occur resulted in exactly that to someone who HIMSELF is cut of the same cloth as you. Cujo is here spinning Envoy in what amounts to a Pyramid scheme to convince others to become the lower tiers of the Pyramid to assist in the advancement and enrichment of the upper tiers which includes himself. I took a risk coming to AA and being junior and so will he, which was one point.
Should unfortunate circumstances result in the very risk and uncertainty I highlight in both coming to Envoy with no concrete commitment from AAG and only unsubstantiated promises and projections or flowing and being junior at AA at a potentially volatile time, it would only be the boomerang he is throwing here for his own benefit and advancement coming back around to hit him square in the kisser and who could cry for someone like that who has no problem throwing boomerang's like that ?
Did your GV program crash again ?
That's ACTIVELY throwing others under the bus for one's own benefit and aside from being a pathological liar and opportunist, you're statement is of no surprise. Heck, you wrote the book on being "cold" in this business. I on the other hand simply wouldn't lose any sleep (or shed a tear) if factors that are prone to periodically occur resulted in exactly that to someone who HIMSELF is cut of the same cloth as you. Cujo is here spinning Envoy in what amounts to a Pyramid scheme to convince others to become the lower tiers of the Pyramid to assist in the advancement and enrichment of the upper tiers which includes himself. I took a risk coming to AA and being junior and so will he, which was one point.
Should unfortunate circumstances result in the very risk and uncertainty I highlight in both coming to Envoy with no concrete commitment from AAG and only unsubstantiated promises and projections or flowing and being junior at AA at a potentially volatile time, it would only be the boomerang he is throwing here for his own benefit and advancement coming back around to hit him square in the kisser and who could cry for someone like that who has no problem throwing boomerang's like that ?
Did your GV program crash again ?
You have a big mouth. But I know that when it comes down face to face you back down. You have to compensate here though. Thats all who you are, a tough guy here.
06-15-2015 | 10:02 AM
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) and all while waving a phony $250,000 paycheck in front of struggling fellow regional pilots.I think you're just upset your feeble attempts to "own me" haven't paid off.
BTW, I doubt we've ever met face-to-face, but I'm confident you'd be dead wrong about your belief in me if we ever did.
06-15-2015 | 11:08 AM
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eaglefly you are sad and pathetic. Nobody takes you seriously, yet you continue to machine gun post every second of the day. It's no secret to anybody what your angle is. You are a very small fish in a very big pond who attempts to play psy-ops online. In reality you are just another over the hill FO who asks the Flight Attendants for chocolate chip cookies during cruise and stinks up the forward lav.
I actually don't read a thing you post and haven't for a very long time. I don't mean that to be funny....it's a fact that every time I see your name I skip over all your posts...which usually come in batches of threes.
The only other poster I have ever NOT read was Thrustlever who also machine-gunned posts and uses the same emoticons you seem to love..such as the winky face.
Coincidence? As Thrustlever you did a full court press on Eagle Lounge convincing Envoy pilots to vote against their best interests. It blew up in your face when 75% of Envoy finally saw the reality of the situation and voted in our contract in December. That threw a wrench in your dream of seeing Envoy fail....but as Eaglefly you think you can still do some damage.
The only damage you do is to the towels on overnights you use to clean up after watching your granny porn. You attempt to play the role of wise old owl and never realize the Captains and FAs you are flying with are laughing at you behind your back and wish you would just shut up.
If ever there was someone who is attempting to pull up the ladder after using it to climb up it is you. You are the definition of a scum bag.
I actually don't read a thing you post and haven't for a very long time. I don't mean that to be funny....it's a fact that every time I see your name I skip over all your posts...which usually come in batches of threes.
The only other poster I have ever NOT read was Thrustlever who also machine-gunned posts and uses the same emoticons you seem to love..such as the winky face.
Coincidence? As Thrustlever you did a full court press on Eagle Lounge convincing Envoy pilots to vote against their best interests. It blew up in your face when 75% of Envoy finally saw the reality of the situation and voted in our contract in December. That threw a wrench in your dream of seeing Envoy fail....but as Eaglefly you think you can still do some damage.
The only damage you do is to the towels on overnights you use to clean up after watching your granny porn. You attempt to play the role of wise old owl and never realize the Captains and FAs you are flying with are laughing at you behind your back and wish you would just shut up.
If ever there was someone who is attempting to pull up the ladder after using it to climb up it is you. You are the definition of a scum bag.
06-15-2015 | 12:31 PM
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eaglefly you are sad and pathetic. Nobody takes you seriously, yet you continue to machine gun post every second of the day. It's no secret to anybody what your angle is. You are a very small fish in a very big pond who attempts to play psy-ops online. In reality you are just another over the hill FO who asks the Flight Attendants for chocolate chip cookies during cruise and stinks up the forward lav.
I actually don't read a thing you post and haven't for a very long time. I don't mean that to be funny....it's a fact that every time I see your name I skip over all your posts...which usually come in batches of threes.
The only other poster I have ever NOT read was Thrustlever who also machine-gunned posts and uses the same emoticons you seem to love..such as the winky face.
Coincidence? As Thrustlever you did a full court press on Eagle Lounge convincing Envoy pilots to vote against their best interests. It blew up in your face when 75% of Envoy finally saw the reality of the situation and voted in our contract in December. That threw a wrench in your dream of seeing Envoy fail....but as Eaglefly you think you can still do some damage.
The only damage you do is to the towels on overnights you use to clean up after watching your granny porn. You attempt to play the role of wise old owl and never realize the Captains and FAs you are flying with are laughing at you behind your back and wish you would just shut up.
If ever there was someone who is attempting to pull up the ladder after using it to climb up it is you. You are the definition of a scum bag.
I actually don't read a thing you post and haven't for a very long time. I don't mean that to be funny....it's a fact that every time I see your name I skip over all your posts...which usually come in batches of threes.
The only other poster I have ever NOT read was Thrustlever who also machine-gunned posts and uses the same emoticons you seem to love..such as the winky face.
Coincidence? As Thrustlever you did a full court press on Eagle Lounge convincing Envoy pilots to vote against their best interests. It blew up in your face when 75% of Envoy finally saw the reality of the situation and voted in our contract in December. That threw a wrench in your dream of seeing Envoy fail....but as Eaglefly you think you can still do some damage.
The only damage you do is to the towels on overnights you use to clean up after watching your granny porn. You attempt to play the role of wise old owl and never realize the Captains and FAs you are flying with are laughing at you behind your back and wish you would just shut up.
If ever there was someone who is attempting to pull up the ladder after using it to climb up it is you. You are the definition of a scum bag.
That's rich.
Anyway, it's fine you don't read my posts as they really aren't for you or the other handful of Envoy spin doctors here. They are primarily for those outside Envoy who are interested in all perspectives on the situation there and who are capable of formulating their own opinion after considering all points-of-view. To those pilots here, I wouldn't have to "machine gun" anything IF there was a more accurate, less self-serving portrayal of the present situation at Envoy. The fact anyone should even have to should tell you something and the fact Piedmont pilots whose own management is advertising better upgrade/flow projections haven't resorted to wholesale desperate and inflated sales pitches should also tell you something.
Caveat Emptor.
06-15-2015 | 12:49 PM
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06-15-2015 | 03:26 PM
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Sure, if you're friends & family or a former NASA mission specialist.
Eaglefly just can't stand the fact that due to the retirements a new guy today should be right where he is in only 6 years since leaving college. While he probably spent 20 or more years to do the same thing. He's a sour person and can't stand seeing somebody get a better life than he had. It's sad really.
When staffing gets tight AAG will use the flow to attract pilots to their regionals. Sabotaging that flow like Eaglefly suggests would ruin their recruiting tool.
Eaglefly just can't stand the fact that due to the retirements a new guy today should be right where he is in only 6 years since leaving college. While he probably spent 20 or more years to do the same thing. He's a sour person and can't stand seeing somebody get a better life than he had. It's sad really.
When staffing gets tight AAG will use the flow to attract pilots to their regionals. Sabotaging that flow like Eaglefly suggests would ruin their recruiting tool.
The flow will stop and you'll all be left holding the dirty end!
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