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06-12-2015 | 04:04 PM

#101

billyho

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Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX

Yes, go to a dying airline. Excellent advice

That made me laugh!

06-12-2015 | 04:08 PM

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Not true. PSA cannot go through the front door to AA. envoy can and has. In fact, we sent 3 guys the last month that the street hiring stopped.

Exactly, except I think PDT can also go through the front door. PSA can only use the back door. So if you want to work for a legacy and you can't get on with DAL or United enjoy your 24 year stint at PSA.

06-12-2015 | 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cujo665

exactly

so far this year, AA has hired 32 off the street, and 73 from Envoy.

They had to as it was required by arbitrators award. No new-hires and most current F/O's aren't part of this and must rely on a contractual agreement that is far less certain.

If things don't pan out at Envoy with the flow (which logjams upgrades all over again), is it better to just be the latest sap stuck in the right seat at Envoy waiting for another promise to materialize or somewhere building 121 PIC and captains bucks ?

I say the latter is the better bet until AAG makes a rock solid commitment and not Envoy management and your promises.

06-12-2015 | 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader

Not true. PSA cannot go through the front door to AA. envoy can and has. In fact, we sent 3 guys the last month that the street hiring stopped.

That settles it. Go to Envoy.

06-12-2015 | 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader

Not true. PSA cannot go through the front door to AA. envoy can and has. In fact, we sent 3 guys the last month that the street hiring stopped.

So the 3 guys that were sent last month were not part of the flow? They were plucked out of the middle of the rest of the pilot group? Captains I am assuming?

I really wanted to read the LOA from Envoy and compare the verbiage to PSA to see if/why PSA pilots cannot be interviewed once the 4/month commitment is exercised.

I really don't care about flow at any regional. I am more interested in a way outside of the flow.

I haven't seen anything in the PSA LOA that directly says AA won't/can't hire others after they fulfill the SSP commitment. I know it hasn't happened since the SSP was put in place, but that doesn't mean it cant happen.

06-13-2015 | 03:22 PM

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These flow agreements are interesting. So if a pilot at Envoy or PDT gets a black mark on their record like a DUI, their no-interview flow would still get them hired by AA? No questions asked?

06-13-2015 | 03:29 PM

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These flow agreements are interesting. So if a pilot at Envoy or PDT gets a black mark on their record like a DUI, their no-interview flow would still get them hired by AA? No questions asked?

No questions. No degree requirements either

06-13-2015 | 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by joek

Ill say it again. DONT CHASE FLOWS OR GUARANTEE INTERVIEWS. Go to a non-wholly owned.

You really are clueless to where the future of this industry is headed.

06-13-2015 | 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sublime259

You really are clueless to where the future of this industry is headed.

Everyone is clueless but you Sublime. Clearly, you are the only one with the crystal ball who sees the future.

06-13-2015 | 08:02 PM

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Everyone is clueless but you Sublime. Clearly, you are the only one with the crystal ball who sees the future.

Let me know when United comes beating down your door with all that valuable TPIC. Never mind the thousands of other highly experienced RJ captains who have been slugging it out waiting for that call from one of the Big 3.