Yes but soon the pilots will run out. By giving seniority numbers it allows them to hold us longer at the WO'ed without losing seniority. Honestly I can see this happening.
When Delta held Compass Pilots they were able to keep original date for seniority. My buddy got the plane and base he wanted and 350 pilots below him when he started class. Win win for both.

 

Too bad APA has no control over who AAG wants to hire. If they want to hire only directly from their regionals and give them an AA DOH or whatever as an incentive.. they could easily do that whether APA likes it or not.

 

Nope. APA owns the numbers in their contract.

 

Yup.

AAG can hire who they want, but CANNOT assign AA seniority numbers to pilots not represented by APA. That was why it required APA agreement to form the first original flow through to AA known as Letter 3 at Eagle and Supplement W at AA which gave AA seniority numbers and rights prior to being represented by APA. That identical agreement language was part of both pilot groups contracts and required agreement by all sides. Unless Parker wants to pony up something to APA/AA pilots, that's the only way and poor Ryan or anyone else is in fantasyland if they think something else (which he apparently does and therefore is).

 

Yes but if your flow number comes up and they ask to stay at the WO'ed they can say your date of hire was for that class. The flow number is when you should've been in class. That I don't think APA can do anything about. I might be wrong.

 

Sorry, there's no end run around AA seniority. In order to be assigned an AA seniority number, you have to represented by APA and line pilots at one of the Eagle's don't qualify. The only exception I'm aware of is Envoy's former (?) V.P. of flight who is on "Special Assignment" in a management position there after completing basic idoc at AA. I don't see Parker starting WW III with APA or AA pilots by hijacking our seniority list as a gift wrapped present to regional pilots.

It's an enticing thought though, I'm sure. Any such deal will require agreement and quite frankly, considering the past failures of Letter 3 along with multiple arbitrations to resolve disputes, I don't think Parker want to open that can of worms all over again....at least not in the near future.

I think it's more realistic to plan for another scenario absent APA agreement to this one.

 

Yes...... It's just going to be interesting.

 

East, West, AA, & flow numbers? That would be a major cluster. Flow numbers would be a pain by itself and a road APA or the company will not take anytime soon. You guys are gonna have to wait your turn whether it's off the street or flow. Oh, forgot about the last TWA guy who's offered a CA slot and all our 80's are gone...our SLI is gonna be very fugly!

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That was tried and failed in the late 90s and early 2000s. Do a little research into Bizex, Asa and Comair.

Look at the history of the current ml mgmts. They dangle a few carrots to keep the pilots flying but never commit to anything long-term that they can't get ou of. There will be a few who benefit but eventually the carpet will be pulled out when ml says the time is right. The ones who think ml mgmts care about their futures haven't been in the industry long enough to know better.

 

And slowly but surely the regionals will continue to be staffed with "lifers" intentionally or otherwise, where the feeling is mutual. The regionals have been a poor product for many reasons from the start, but as this path continues, things will likely become worse as those left working at the regionals have no intention/ability to move on and won't give a crap about the product.