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Old 06-27-2015 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by saxman66
AFAIK, the events that took place were mostly 700 a few minutes after level off.
How does that even happen?

Climb in VS with too slow and/or decreasing airspeed, then level at too high of an altitude where the airplane is pushing air and continues to bleed airspeed even after level-off?

I'm not and never have been a SKW pilot so I cannot comment on your procedures, but as an outsider it would seem like a combination of 1. pilots not paying damn attention and 2. too slow climb and/or cruise CI speeds - is that accurate?

For everything the CRJ is and isn't, it does just fine at altitude if you keep speed on the wing...
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Old 06-27-2015 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
The most disturbing thing to me about this new policy is the fact that there is a list of the inattentives and that the FAA and OCC will be strictly monitoring. Those two things go against everything that is supposed to be a just culture, which enhances safety. Anything that is even perceived to be less than a just culture increases risk.
I took it to read as they are going to make sure people are complying with the altitude restrictions. That can be done pretty much by anyone with an internet connection. I know dispatchers have access to this information in real-time. It won't be hard for them to see if people are not complying with the new restrictions. No FOQA, ASAP or LOSA data required.
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Old 06-27-2015 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
How does that even happen?

Climb in VS with too slow and/or decreasing airspeed, then level at too high of an altitude where the airplane is pushing air and continues to bleed airspeed even after level-off?

I'm not and never have been a SKW pilot so I cannot comment on your procedures, but as an outsider it would seem like a combination of 1. pilots not paying damn attention and 2. too slow climb and/or cruise CI speeds - is that accurate?

For everything the CRJ is and isn't, it does just fine at altitude if you keep speed on the wing...
Kind of circles back to my (and another's) post pages back. Pilots who DONT know how to do their job.
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Old 06-27-2015 | 12:45 PM
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Kind of circles back to my (and another's) post pages back. Pilots who DONT know how to do their job.
Indeed. There is a difference between a pilot and a person who flies an airplane. Every airline has both.
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Old 06-27-2015 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
I took it to read as they are going to make sure people are complying with the altitude restrictions. That can be done pretty much by anyone with an internet connection. I know dispatchers have access to this information in real-time. It won't be hard for them to see if people are not complying with the new restrictions. No FOQA, ASAP or LOSA data required.

I would agree if they do that with every other procedural change. If it's not something that your occ and FAA do then it's definitely a threat. The fact that dispatchers can easily see this and that any FAA inspector with Internet can also see it shows that it doesn't need to be said. And what about having to use emergency authority in order to go above that operational limitation? Some pilots are reluctant to declare an emergency, this may cause some not to do what's safest in order to avoid the possible perception that he is doing something he isn't supposed to. Also, someone said a list was published. That's also punitive. It's all just a very very bad practice from a risk management perspective.
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Old 06-28-2015 | 04:32 AM
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I just wanted to add, that I have flown the CRJ at two different operators and these operators didn't have any issue. Not sure why Skywest is having problems, but it should be embarrassing that Gojet can safely take a CRJ-700 to 410 (in the right circumstances and conditions) while you guys cannot.


What's next, mandatory autopilot usage?
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Old 06-28-2015 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
I would agree if they do that with every other procedural change. If it's not something that your occ and FAA do then it's definitely a threat. The fact that dispatchers can easily see this and that any FAA inspector with Internet can also see it shows that it doesn't need to be said. And what about having to use emergency authority in order to go above that operational limitation? Some pilots are reluctant to declare an emergency, this may cause some not to do what's safest in order to avoid the possible perception that he is doing something he isn't supposed to. Also, someone said a list was published. That's also punitive. It's all just a very very bad practice from a risk management perspective.
You assume way too much. Dispatchers plan the flight within the legalities, what you do with it after you push off the gate is all you. If you want to fly through all those thunderstorms the dispatcher routed you around, that's your prerogative. Wanna take it up to FL410 when you were planned at FL280, alrighty then. No one's here to play snitch.
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Old 06-28-2015 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
I just wanted to add, that I have flown the CRJ at two different operators and these operators didn't have any issue. Not sure why Skywest is having problems, but it should be embarrassing that Gojet can safely take a CRJ-700 to 410 (in the right circumstances and conditions) while you guys cannot.


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Nice try. All CRJ operators have had some issue with slow speed events. You just aren't aware of any. Yes I'm sure SkyWest has had more then others but you guys aren't immune.
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Old 06-28-2015 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Jet87
Nice try. All CRJ operators have had some issue with slow speed events. You just aren't aware of any. Yes I'm sure SkyWest has had more then others but you guys aren't immune.
that's a fair point. However, the events weren't bad enough to put an altitude limitation on the CRJ.
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Old 06-28-2015 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by NVUS
You assume way too much. Dispatchers plan the flight within the legalities, what you do with it after you push off the gate is all you. If you want to fly through all those thunderstorms the dispatcher routed you around, that's your prerogative. Wanna take it up to FL410 when you were planned at FL280, alrighty then. No one's here to play snitch.
Wow. Just, wow. 2 words: Joint Authority.
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