RJET down by -50% today?
07-27-2015 | 01:31 PM
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PSA Brownstreak types will gladly take another concessionary contract for some of that widebody regional flying.. Everyone will be tripping over each other to get there for the instant upgrades too. Including furloughed RAH pilots. Happened before and it will happen again. It's not like all the Comair guys or Envoy people who had their future pulled out from under them just quit the industry. Maybe 2% do. The majority flocked to the bottomfeeders hiring. Senior Comair pilots were packing Gojet classes even though they were the pariah of the industry.
This is why we are all screwed in this industry.
This is why we are all screwed in this industry.
07-27-2015 | 01:34 PM
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What can you do as a pilot? You have to find work, how can you blame an individual pilot for trying to stay employed? If there were more national unity among pilots this wouldn't be an issue.
Is anyone surprised that Republic has a high probability to be the first Regional to face serious issue in this changing environment?
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1691451
Hopefully all the pilots there are able to land on their feet and nothing comes out of this news but I still think that it is going to be a shaky decade for all regionals.
Is anyone surprised that Republic has a high probability to be the first Regional to face serious issue in this changing environment?
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1691451
Hopefully all the pilots there are able to land on their feet and nothing comes out of this news but I still think that it is going to be a shaky decade for all regionals.
07-27-2015 | 01:52 PM
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Unfortunately, you are right. That's why we need to push ALPA to make this their highest priority as more and more regionals are pushed to the brink.
I'd like to see ALPA start national flow through program that would be tied into the national seniority list. When a mainline has an opening, they take the most senior pilot from the national seniority list that happens to be working for a regional and automatically flow him to that mainline.
I'd like to see ALPA start national flow through program that would be tied into the national seniority list. When a mainline has an opening, they take the most senior pilot from the national seniority list that happens to be working for a regional and automatically flow him to that mainline.
07-27-2015 | 02:14 PM
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Unfortunately, you are right. That's why we need to push ALPA to make this their highest priority as more and more regionals are pushed to the brink.
I'd like to see ALPA start national flow through program that would be tied into the national seniority list. When a mainline has an opening, they take the most senior pilot from the national seniority list that happens to be working for a regional and automatically flow him to that mainline.
I'd like to see ALPA start national flow through program that would be tied into the national seniority list. When a mainline has an opening, they take the most senior pilot from the national seniority list that happens to be working for a regional and automatically flow him to that mainline.
We are blue collar hourly workers. While the guys who've made it financially can call themselves conservatives and vote accordingly, pilots by and large vote against their own self interests (e.g. voting for anti-labor candidates).
Flame away, but this is a BIG part of why you and I will never live to see a guild / national seniority list; it's too socialized for most pilots to stomach. Also, read "Flying The Line" 1&2 to read about how we got to where pilots are able to think of themselves as anything but hourly workers dependent upon labor unions to bargain on their behalf.
07-27-2015 | 02:22 PM
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I believe you're talking about a guild. The average pilot considers him/herself a conservative due to their past military service / expectation of higher wages and dislike of taxes - so they call their unions "Associations".
We are blue collar hourly workers. While the guys who've made it financially can call themselves conservatives and vote accordingly, pilots by and large vote against their own self interests (e.g. voting for anti-labor candidates).
Flame away, but this is a BIG part of why you and I will never live to see a guild / national seniority list; it's too socialized for most pilots to stomach. Also, read "Flying The Line" 1&2 to read about how we got to where pilots are able to think of themselves as anything but hourly workers dependent upon labor unions to bargain on their behalf.
We are blue collar hourly workers. While the guys who've made it financially can call themselves conservatives and vote accordingly, pilots by and large vote against their own self interests (e.g. voting for anti-labor candidates).
Flame away, but this is a BIG part of why you and I will never live to see a guild / national seniority list; it's too socialized for most pilots to stomach. Also, read "Flying The Line" 1&2 to read about how we got to where pilots are able to think of themselves as anything but hourly workers dependent upon labor unions to bargain on their behalf.
07-27-2015 | 02:23 PM
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PSA Brownstreak types will gladly take another concessionary contract for some of that widebody regional flying.. Everyone will be tripping over each other to get there for the instant upgrades too. Including furloughed RAH pilots. Happened before and it will happen again. It's not like all the Comair guys or Envoy people who had their future pulled out from under them just quit the industry. Maybe 2% do. The majority flocked to the bottomfeeders hiring. Senior Comair pilots were packing Gojet classes even though they were the pariah of the industry.
This is why we are all screwed in this industry.
This is why we are all screwed in this industry.
07-27-2015 | 02:28 PM
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PSA Brownstreak types will gladly take another concessionary contract for some of that widebody regional flying.. Everyone will be tripping over each other to get there for the instant upgrades too. Including furloughed RAH pilots. Happened before and it will happen again. It's not like all the Comair guys or Envoy people who had their future pulled out from under them just quit the industry. Maybe 2% do. The majority flocked to the bottomfeeders hiring. Senior Comair pilots were packing Gojet classes even though they were the pariah of the industry.
This is why we are all screwed in this industry.
This is why we are all screwed in this industry.
07-27-2015 | 02:33 PM
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What can you do as a pilot? You have to find work, how can you blame an individual pilot for trying to stay employed? If there were more national unity among pilots this wouldn't be an issue.
Is anyone surprised that Republic has a high probability to be the first Regional to face serious issue in this changing environment?
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1691451
Hopefully all the pilots there are able to land on their feet and nothing comes out of this news but I still think that it is going to be a shaky decade for all regionals.
Is anyone surprised that Republic has a high probability to be the first Regional to face serious issue in this changing environment?
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...ml#post1691451
Hopefully all the pilots there are able to land on their feet and nothing comes out of this news but I still think that it is going to be a shaky decade for all regionals.
Everyone seems to agree a national seniority list is a good idea, widebody Captains excepted, but nobody has the political will to make it happen.
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