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Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1944045)

Comair held the line??? Son you don't know history do you? Comair grow because it was one of the first CRJ operators. There pay and workrules were awful! You actually had to PAY for you job there. That's right pay to get a CRJ rating and PAY for your own hotel. So basically you had to have mom and daddy pay 20,000 dollars for a 18k a year job flying a CRJ. But people did it.

They grew one the backs of people paying to work there and crappy pay and later got a good contract because they had some leverage only to sign a concessionary agreement later in hope of living another day.

So Comair held the line???? LOL, go back and learn!!

Lots of senior regional captains today PFT'd. Most of the big name regionals required PFT back in the day.

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1944093)

Any chance you guys can stop the pecker measuring contest at least until the damn details of the TA are announced?

LOL. I love "my regional sux less than your regional" threads. :D

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Originally Posted by pilotwithnoname (Post 1944609)

Good to hear guys!

Any chance these guy want to come over to RAH and fix our little dilemma too? [emoji6]

Uhh Bud, you do realize AWAC, Mesa, and SKW are working deals to establish a baseline to bid the flying your company announced it would be dropping. Ironically if RAH had a good deal in place on time; these 3 company's would probably still be in "negotiations", and therefore you would not be requesting their expertise.

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Originally Posted by Fegelein (Post 1944649)

Lots of senior regional captains today PFT'd. Most of the big name regionals required PFT back in the day.

AFAIK, AWAC has never had a PFT deal. I got paid from day 1 here.

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Originally Posted by Fegelein (Post 1944651)

LOL. I love "my regional sux less than your regional" threads. :D

Anyone who has ever voted for a contract that included concessionary language on scope voted for this situation. If you're not here or at another C-scale contract carrier (so called 'regional') you're probably part of the problem, not part of the solution. Pretty much every contract signed in the past 20 years has included language that strengthened the position of the major airlines regarding 'regional' flying. This includes total block hours, seats, fleet percentages, city pairings, etc. So many pilot groups are incredibly short sighted as their ranks shrink and their flying farmed out. I was glad to see DL recognize this when they voted down their TA.

If you have something positive to contribute, please, offer it up. But your language sounds like yet another regional pilot bashing post which is divisive and unhelpful.

I'd be happy if all the so-called 'regionals/commuters' shut down tomorrow and all this flying was brought back in-house.

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Originally Posted by flyerfly (Post 1944606)

I'm sorry if I leave anyone out, but Chris, Jeff, Thorne, Mark, Bob, David, Richard, Matt, Will, Reed, Collin, Carl, and all the AWAC pilots-Bravo! I can't wait to see wait to see the show!

Agreed, congrats and thank you

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Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1943775)

Just so I'm sure Envoy isn't included in the above? Or Endeavor?

Now, what if AWAC's TA does not have 12/4? I highly doubt it will. Will the above carriers have still "sold out" the industry?

Too bad a thread that could have been 100% positive for the AWAC guys turned down the normal APC path and is now filled with the ever present finger pointing and insults.

Hope you guys killed it, good luck.

Remind me again which pilot group was the sole one that wouldn't sign on to not taking anymore concessions(after all the other regionals had signed the agreement)?

I guess alpa members have been going around saying something like, things in open time will go to 200% pay, higher per diem, but raise in health care costs. Etc, didn't say anything about pay raise. Also heard this second hand so take it with a grain of salt.

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Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1944694)

Remind me again which pilot group was the sole one that wouldn't sign on to not taking anymore concessions(after all the other regionals had signed the agreement)?

Which one???

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Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 1946101)

The email from Alpa said raises in each of the 2 years of the agreement, but that could mean anything from the small per diem increase I've heard about, to COLA raises. I'd honestly be surprised to see our hourly rates go up, even though they are way overdue for that. If the rates stay the same, we need massive improvements to scheduling and the ways we are paid that will amount to a raise regardless of the rates.

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Originally Posted by Paid2fly (Post 1944694)

Remind me again which pilot group was the sole one that wouldn't sign on to not taking anymore concessions(after all the other regionals had signed the agreement)?

Not relevant to what I asked, at all. You also make it sound like a whole pilot group signs that said document, when in fact most pilots, myself included, had never even heard of it until after it was done(or not done).

Why don't you answer what I asked.