Whats the deal with Flows
#91
Keep dreaming. You really think they are giving you our jets and setting up that whole program as training wheels just so they can start all over again and get bigger one's later? lol. You aren't getting 175's unless you get merged with Envoy. Why would they do everything, and spend all the $$$ to get them set up on our certificate, with the options placed here already after our initial 40.. then waste all that time/money all over again for Piedmont to get them too? Unless you guys plan on signing some PSA type backstabbing deal it isn't happening. Plus, have you seen the scope limitations AA is bumping up against for more 175's or 900's? Pretty much any more would be coming at the expense of something else..
and how exactly is your flow going to be "much" faster than Envoy's at only 4/5 month or whatever if your growth stops? Who cares if we are bigger, we flow a much larger number every month and our pilot group is getting smaller. The flow is pretty even..
Yeah, you are right.. we shouldn't compare Envoy to Piedmont. Envoy has an all jet fleet with over 2000 pilots still. Piedmont has around 400 pilots and ZERO jets transferred to date. Only promises.. AA has been delaying our transfers and awarding more flying to Envoy every month since we can actually staff it and are already current and qualified in the airplanes... not saying they won't "eventually" be transferred, with big delays.. but thinking you are getting 175's too is ridiculous.
and how exactly is your flow going to be "much" faster than Envoy's at only 4/5 month or whatever if your growth stops? Who cares if we are bigger, we flow a much larger number every month and our pilot group is getting smaller. The flow is pretty even..
Yeah, you are right.. we shouldn't compare Envoy to Piedmont. Envoy has an all jet fleet with over 2000 pilots still. Piedmont has around 400 pilots and ZERO jets transferred to date. Only promises.. AA has been delaying our transfers and awarding more flying to Envoy every month since we can actually staff it and are already current and qualified in the airplanes... not saying they won't "eventually" be transferred, with big delays.. but thinking you are getting 175's too is ridiculous.
Where did I say YOUR 175's!! You guys are trigger happy! hahahahah
#94
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First off where the hell did I say Piedmont's Flow was faster then Envoys?? If Piedmonts growth stops that's even better for everyone in terms of flow! Are you dumb or something?? Piedmont is NO WHERE near the size of Envoy you nerd and that's our flow advantage! hahahahahahahah Lordy Lordy!
As for your flow being good for everyone on property if the growth stops, I'm seriously trying to figure out your rationalization. If there's no more growth at PDT and there are very few incoming new-hires, then the only benefit to the flow is anyone currently on property (and hopefully quite senior.) Even then it will be what, 3/month? Aren't your flow numbers predicated on the size of your pilot group? So if there's no growth, then you guys send 3/month (if it's 1 or 2 more then that, I apologize for not getting the number 100% accurate.) At 36-50/year that's going to take a hell of a long time to flow. That being said, are you sure that your flow is better for everyone on property if there is no more growth?
#95
Your flow will be much faster then Envoy's and definitely a bunch faster then PSA's Here you go.
As for your flow being good for everyone on property if the growth stops, I'm seriously trying to figure out your rationalization. If there's no more growth at PDT and there are very few incoming new-hires, then the only benefit to the flow is anyone currently on property (and hopefully quite senior.) Even then it will be what, 3/month? Aren't your flow numbers predicated on the size of your pilot group? So if there's no growth, then you guys send 3/month (if it's 1 or 2 more then that, I apologize for not getting the number 100% accurate.) At 36-50/year that's going to take a hell of a long time to flow. That being said, are you sure that your flow is better for everyone on property if there is no more growth?
As for your flow being good for everyone on property if the growth stops, I'm seriously trying to figure out your rationalization. If there's no more growth at PDT and there are very few incoming new-hires, then the only benefit to the flow is anyone currently on property (and hopefully quite senior.) Even then it will be what, 3/month? Aren't your flow numbers predicated on the size of your pilot group? So if there's no growth, then you guys send 3/month (if it's 1 or 2 more then that, I apologize for not getting the number 100% accurate.) At 36-50/year that's going to take a hell of a long time to flow. That being said, are you sure that your flow is better for everyone on property if there is no more growth?
#97
Once Envoy's 824, the protected whatever, and all that jazz go...now you're down to growth based flow just like PDT. Pot meet kettle mf. By the time you are down to that anyone who is at PDT now that wants to flow will be out...see ya.
#98
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We just had a job fair in Chicago with an incredible turnout. Not quite 2006-2007 monthly hiring numbers but not far off. You'll hear about it soon enough. Envoy is going to be THE place to be in the very near future. We are working some other deals that you'll hear about soon too. You might even decide to become an Envoy pilot.
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