View Poll Results: Yes or no on TA 2015
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10-14-2015, 08:26 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 63
Reposted from elsewhere:
A challenge
I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past.
Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html
American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you.
"They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union."
Maybe that sounds familiar, too.
And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again:
Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline.
VS.
Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years.
A challenge
I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past.
Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html
American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you.
"They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union."
Maybe that sounds familiar, too.
And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again:
Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline.
VS.
Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years.
10-14-2015, 08:44 AM
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 183
Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
Reposted from elsewhere:
A challenge
I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past.
Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html
American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you.
"They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union."
Maybe that sounds familiar, too.
And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again:
Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline.
VS.
Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years.
A challenge
I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past.
Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html
American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you.
"They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union."
Maybe that sounds familiar, too.
And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again:
Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline.
VS.
Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years.
10-14-2015, 08:47 AM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 183
Originally Posted by Ronaldo
That makes a lot of sense. You are voting in an inflationary paycut from 2007 wages of roughly 4 dollars per hour as a CA. That 4 dollars an hour pays for your signing bonus in 3-5 years. You're paying your own bonus.
More importantly with unlimited payments to pipeline and other candidates you are ensuring there will NEVER be leverage again. The company didn't negotiate up to this point. Do you think if they have a constant supply of new hires they'll ever negotiate again? And you're willing to give away leverage for all future Republic pilots so you can pay for your own bonus?
You're throwing the military pilots at Republic under the bus. But I guess you'll still get your 'merica pants on every year during Veteran's Day.
Vacation was bad so we raised the credit value of a week of vacation and slightly raised the accrual (most people lose a week of vacation) then we reduced the value of MIL days so those guys get reserve. We identified a problem [vacation causes RSV because the credit value is so low] and fixed it by [raise credit value of vacation, and reduce credit value of MIL leave]. Hmm this seems like a great deal, I'm glad we didn't concede anything. Wait, we conceded a week of vacation, loss of vacation if you call in sick, and threw the military guys under the bus.
More importantly with unlimited payments to pipeline and other candidates you are ensuring there will NEVER be leverage again. The company didn't negotiate up to this point. Do you think if they have a constant supply of new hires they'll ever negotiate again? And you're willing to give away leverage for all future Republic pilots so you can pay for your own bonus?
You're throwing the military pilots at Republic under the bus. But I guess you'll still get your 'merica pants on every year during Veteran's Day.
Vacation was bad so we raised the credit value of a week of vacation and slightly raised the accrual (most people lose a week of vacation) then we reduced the value of MIL days so those guys get reserve. We identified a problem [vacation causes RSV because the credit value is so low] and fixed it by [raise credit value of vacation, and reduce credit value of MIL leave]. Hmm this seems like a great deal, I'm glad we didn't concede anything. Wait, we conceded a week of vacation, loss of vacation if you call in sick, and threw the military guys under the bus.
10-14-2015, 09:01 AM
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 480
Originally Posted by FEtoFO
This sounds like an issue for dept of labor. Military leave is not negotiable, and I would not trust the Teamsters with any litigation. I think some at republic still think they're at a legacy, and they are not.
10-14-2015, 09:12 AM
#25
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 679
Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
Reposted from elsewhere:
A challenge
I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past.
Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html
American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you.
"They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union."
Maybe that sounds familiar, too.
And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again:
Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline.
VS.
Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years.
A challenge
I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past.
Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html
American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you.
"They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union."
Maybe that sounds familiar, too.
And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again:
Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline.
VS.
Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines
Remember, in the end ALL Eastern pilots WON!!!
Its simple, with out new hires coming through the door RAH is done. This deal is Republics best chance at filling classes again. Whether it works or not is yet to be seen. But until that day, I would take the cash and bonus money and milk it for all its worth. The regional industry is broken and dying, might as well make the most money possible until you move onward and upward into the majors.
10-14-2015, 10:22 AM
#26
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: 737-Right
Posts: 781
Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
Reposted from elsewhere:
A challenge
I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past.
Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html
American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you.
"They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union."
Maybe that sounds familiar, too.
And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again:
Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline.
VS.
Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years.
A challenge
I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past.
Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html
American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you.
"They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union."
Maybe that sounds familiar, too.
And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again:
Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline.
VS.
Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years.
of the two fellow RAH pilots I've talked to today, both have done the same. Should we be concerned?
10-14-2015, 10:46 AM
#27
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
Originally Posted by 3inthegreen
Its simple, with out new hires coming through the door RAH is done. This deal is Republics best chance at filling classes again. Whether it works or not is yet to be seen.
New hires don't matter, contract doesn't matter, bankruptcy doesn't matter.
10-14-2015, 10:49 AM
#28
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 919
Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
Reposted from elsewhere:
A challenge
I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past.
Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html
American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you.
"They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union."
Maybe that sounds familiar, too.
And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again:
Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline.
VS.
Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years.
A challenge
I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past.
Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else.
http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html
American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you.
"They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union."
Maybe that sounds familiar, too.
And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again:
Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline.
VS.
Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years.
10-14-2015, 01:32 PM
#29
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: 737-Right
Posts: 781
I've withdrawn from the 357 message board. Doubt I'll ever go back. It has become the equivalent of things that used to be good in the past, but got hijacked by the ultra-left (e.g. the Ford foundation, Catholic church, et al)
10-14-2015, 05:30 PM
#30
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: A320
Posts: 311
Originally Posted by flyguy23
Please don't repost any JG gospel. The union board is unbearable with that new message board hero. There are reasons to vote yes and no. His fortune telling and poor use of the caps lock need to stay out of public view.
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