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Old 10-10-2015 | 12:52 PM
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I've heard a number of pilots say we should have a flow agreement. How? (I know why...) Can anyone name one regional that has or had a flow program, that is (or was) not a wholly-owned subsidiary? That's why we don't, and most likely won't, have a flow program.

On the flip side, let's say we do get a flow agreement with AA. Now Delta come along with an offer of flying that has terms agreeable to AWAC management. What happens then? Or would DAL even consider offering that flying to us? Will we have to declare "AWAC rights" or "followthrough?"
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Old 10-10-2015 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Flubber
On the flip side, let's say we do get a flow agreement with AA. Now Delta come along with an offer of flying that has terms agreeable to AWAC management. What happens then? Or would DAL even consider offering that flying to us? Will we have to declare "AWAC rights" or "followthrough?"
You only have 2 years left on the AA agreement to even fly for them. Do you honestly think Parker would give AWAC a flow?? Hell if anything he's hoping that you guys tank so he can raid your pilots for his WO'ed airlines. We've already had more then a hand full of AWAC FO's leave and come to one of the 3 WO'ed and believe me he'd love them all.

AWAC management wanted a deal done and I think it was because they wanted to make them competitive in competing for flying with other Delta Carriers.

That being said they do offer a good product, but how long before people start jumping off a ship that starts to sink???

As for a flow thru there's no way in the world that's going to happen at AWAC. While I totally understand why this TA has been turned down I can understand now that AWAC will enter into much uncertain waters. No new planes and no new Code Share partners.

AWAC offers a good product, but is that what Majors want?? Or is it the bottom line..... Money.

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Old 10-10-2015 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
You only have 2 years left on the AA agreement to even fly for them. Do you honestly think Parker would give AWAC a flow?? Hell if anything he's hoping that you guys tank so he can raid your pilots for his WO'ed airlines. We've already had more then a hand full of AWAC FO's leave and come to one of the 3 WO'ed and believe me he'd love them all.

AWAC management wanted a deal done and I think it was because they wanted to make them competitive in competing for flying with other Delta Carriers.

That being said they do offer a good product, but how long before people start jumping off a ship that starts to sink???

As for a flow thru there's no way in the world that's going to happen at AWAC. While I totally understand why this TA has been turned down I can understand now that AWAC will enter into much uncertain waters. No new planes and no new Code Share partners.

AWAC offers a good product, but is that what Majors want?? Or is it the bottom line..... Money.
The only FO's "bailing" for the wholly owned AA regionals from AWAC are new-hire wash outs.

I typically don't agree with what you post on here billyho, but you're probably correct about us not getting a flow. I can't see that happening. But I'm still not bailing for PDT to help your seniority number grow.
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Old 10-10-2015 | 03:15 PM
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Billy, you repeatedly claimed this ta was going to pass. Youre an idiot who knows nothing. You have no credibility here. All noise. No signal. ****.
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Old 10-10-2015 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Day4mx
Billy, you repeatedly claimed this ta was going to pass. Youre an idiot who knows nothing. You have no credibility here. All noise. No signal. ****.
Find where I said it was going to pass???
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Old 10-10-2015 | 03:21 PM
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I don't want a flow! I am still of the archaic thought that you should have to interview for a job!

Been seeing posts here and there that alot of flow through guys have been fired since they show up with the "entitled attitude" at the next level! Seems to be a problem at all the legacies with flow agreements!
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Old 10-10-2015 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawn
But I'm still not bailing for PDT to help your seniority number grow.
I don't blame you. 8 years ago we did have many Piedmont Pilots bail for Republic and AWAC while we were in somewhat the same situation as you guys, wonder how they feel now? Nothing wrong with you staying at AWAC and guess what? You might just get rewarded for staying there just like our guys that stuck with Piedmont and are now just over a year from flowing.

Best of Luck.
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Old 10-10-2015 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BitterOHFO
I don't want a flow! I am still of the archaic thought that you should have to interview for a job!
You still have to interview with the 3 WO'ed. It's just when your number comes up you just have to pee in a cup. But then again there's more airlines then just American to chose from.
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Old 10-10-2015 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Find where I said it was going to pass???
Oh billy come on don't do me like that. You know!
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Old 10-10-2015 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Realtalk
Oh billy come on don't do me like that. You know!
Okay you might find where I said it one time. He did say repeatedly and that's nowhere near the true.

Honestly I was waiting for someone to actually try and find one, hell I'm not sure if I did.

I'm interested really to see how management handles this. You guys have a NC Committee in line???
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