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Skyler02 03-13-2016 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 2088312)
Why do you highlight the AA wholly owners and not the others?

Because they are the only regionals offering flow as the chart says. "AAG Wholly Owneds with flow". And I also thought it was interesting that the compensation between the 3 is pretty much the same. So I bracketed them.

I don't know of any other regionals offering flow. Are there any?

I'm not a huge fan of flow, but it's nice to have in your back pocket if all else fails. I would pick a regional based on base (can you drive to work), commutability (if you have to commute), and compensation.

Flow is a recruiting and retention tool in an environment where companies are competing for pilots. It is a way for companies to get you into their airline and then keep you there waiting for the flow. If the regional of your choice happens to offer a flow, that’s great. It’s a good back-up plan if all else fails. But I wouldn't let that be a deciding factor of which regional to join. That's just my opinion, though. For some people flow might be a great option. For instance, if you don't have a degree.

Nevets 03-13-2016 08:54 PM

Ok, that makes sense, thanks.

adspilot 03-14-2016 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by Skyler02 (Post 2088371)
Because they are the only regionals offering flow as the chart says. "AAG Wholly Owneds with flow". And I also thought it was interesting that the compensation between the 3 is pretty much the same. So I bracketed them.

I don't know of any other regionals offering flow. Are there any?

I'm not a huge fan of flow, but it's nice to have in your back pocket if all else fails. I would pick a regional based on base (can you drive to work), commutability (if you have to commute), and compensation.

Flow is a recruiting and retention tool in an environment where companies are competing for pilots. It is a way for companies to get you into their airline and then keep you there waiting for the flow. If the regional of your choice happens to offer a flow, that’s great. It’s a good back-up plan if all else fails. But I wouldn't let that be a deciding factor of which regional to join. That's just my opinion, though. For some people flow might be a great option. For instance, if you don't have a degree.

I don't know many pilots at envoy who are just waiting for the flow. Very few people would pass on United or delta to wait for the flow to AA. Those people are the ones that live in DFW and don't want to commute or live in places that would cause a two leg commute.

Skyler02 03-14-2016 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by adspilot (Post 2088471)
I don't know many pilots at envoy who are just waiting for the flow. Very few people would pass on United or delta to wait for the flow to AA. Those people are the ones that live in DFW and don't want to commute or live in places that would cause a two leg commute.

Agreed. That's why I think flow is more of a management tool for recruiting and retention than it is a plus for pilots.

I think any of us would leave to whoever calls us first.

Young guys may be looking for the complete career path so they don't get stuck at a regional for a decade or more like so many guys did due to circumstances beyond their control - 9/11, recession, age 65. So management's strategy is to build a career path to make their airline more attractive to pilots. And that's great as a back-up plan. But I personally wouldn't choose a lower paying regional just because it offers flow. Might be a good choice for someone else though. Everyone's situation is different.

VoiceOfReason 03-14-2016 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by greenroute (Post 2088259)
I decided to take a stab at this using the latest contract updates and the new hiring bonuses. All numbers are based on actual minimum guarantee. All numbers include hiring bonuses and retention pay. Sorted by first year pay.

http://i.imgur.com/o9IN1p2.png

Great chart. Thanks for putting this together.

Skyler02 03-14-2016 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason (Post 2088498)
Great chart. Thanks for putting this together.

Yes. Thanks for putting this together. I haven't compared the 2 yet. Are they coming up pretty close to the same? I know I need to take the GoJet bonus out of my chart. I didn't realize that went away with the new contract. I'll do that in the next update.

Skyler02 03-14-2016 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by clueless (Post 2087304)
There's no more sign on bonus at Gojet since the new contract passed

Thanks for the info. I'll fix that in the next update.

Rob12345 03-24-2016 02:05 AM


Originally Posted by greenroute (Post 2088259)
I decided to take a stab at this using the latest contract updates and the new hiring bonuses. All numbers are based on actual minimum guarantee. All numbers include hiring bonuses and retention pay. Sorted by first year pay.

http://i.imgur.com/o9IN1p2.png

So looking at the chart,

Why would anyone choose anyone other than Endevor except for base location?

flyingmau5 03-24-2016 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Rob12345 (Post 2095320)
So looking at the chart,

Why would anyone choose anyone other than Endeavor except for base location?

You don't. ;)

Mandrake 03-24-2016 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Rob12345 (Post 2095320)
So looking at the chart,

Why would anyone choose anyone other than Endevor except for base location?

For the same reasons you wouldn't pick Republic as your second choice.


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