Isn't the 175E2 just as big and heavier than the MRJ90? What's the scope solution for them?

 

Because that worked well for Expressjet

 

Because that's not how this works, that's not how any of this works!

 

Actually, it kept us in business.

 

I'm not saying it made you broke. If it was so lucrative and successful, the company would have stopped being FFD and done that.

 

I don't think their is one yet.

As much as I hate it, relaxing scope (especially if it's only weight) isn't out of the realm of possibility. Afterall, I'd rather be flying an MRJ90, E2, etc at United or Delta than flying one at Trans States. Though as someone else pointed out, most of the pilots at the majors now are still the same the ones who sold out on scope in the past. A lot of them came up through the military, and really have no idea what kind of a mess a civilian aviation career is, and a lot of others were lucky to get on with the majors before the lost decade and really haven't seen how bad things have gotten first hand. If there's good money in it for them they will cave on mtow scope in a heartbeat.

 

I disagree. The guys that actively sold scope in the 90s are a huge minority at the majors now. At United, at least 80% felt the effects of the scope sale in a big and very negative way. I think it is very unlikely that you'll see any changes to scope going forward.

My take anyway...

Scott

 

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I just find it interesting that there's a lot of talk about MRJ90 scope when the 175E2 supposedly weighs more. MRJ90 small version is 87000 and 175E2 is about 98000 but I'm not sure if that will end up being the ultimate MAGTOW. I should probably clarify by saying "scope solution" not necessarily being a good thing for everyone. Of course if these things are flown by mainline then there's that many more jobs for us. I do think that weight probably has a little less stigma associated with it than seats. That being said, if the carrot is being enough, they'll get the votes for it. It will be interesting to see what comes out of Delta as far as a contract is concerned with scope. They're the first up and likely to set the tone for the other two carriers. I just hope they don't give up more planes for more 50 seaters going away. In the long term, I think it's the majors desire to get rid of the 50 seaters anyway (with a few niche exceptions). So I would hate for pilots to be giving something up (more large RJs) for something that they want to do anyway.

 

I would be EXTREMELY surprised if delta sold any scope in their new TA. The pilots of this generation know how badly they can be burned by relaxing scope and (hopefully) they hold the line on that issue.