Regional flow through not requiring 4 degree?
#121
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Forget the "flow through". I have seen many over the years and the airline always has a trick up their sleeve before the flow occurs. I'm not thinking that will necessarily happen in the future because the market has changed. Flows are now used as a recruiting tool, to pay less, and to keep guys at the regional longer.
Go to Skywest and get based in Chicago or MSP. Bid the standup trips where you show at 8pm, fly to somewhere 30 minutes to 1 hour away, then fly back early morning. You get about 6 hours at the hotel but are back between 6:30 and 8 am. You then have all day to study or go to class. Also you should take 2 to 3 classes in the summer to cut down you load in the regular school year. There are a lot of good schools in Chicago, Depaul, U of I Chicago, Northwestern, etc. and also in MSP.
In my opinion, your post is almost entirely a recruitment pitch and filled with "spin".
#122
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Flows are designed for 3 things, to get you to go to that regional, to work for lower pay, and to stay longer. If they just wanted pilots they would simply pay more.
I held the standups in Chicago my first month off of reserve which was my third month online. Things are moving fast so they should be available to anyone who wants to follow my suggestion.
"Aviation" degree is considered more of a training program than a degree. Its not considered very broad. A pilot with an "aviation" degree is looked at as having something rather redundant. I think taking a couple extra courses to have a business degree would look a lot better.
My post was aimed at someone without a degree who wants to go to a major. Chances are the person can hold Captain as Skywest as soon as he has the qualifications to do so. Why would someone want to go to Compass or Gojet for a quicker upgrade if he can't do the quicker upgrade anyway? He is much better with Skywest on his resume.
There is a lot to be said about a person with a 4 year degree from a respected university. Number one is it says he has the persistence to follow a plan of study to its end. Number 2 is it shows he can focus on something and get it done. Number 3 is it shows that he can learn. Yes, there are a lot of people who can learn on their own and don't need the college degree to do just as well but they are more the exception than the rule. Not everyone is a Steve Jobs.
I held the standups in Chicago my first month off of reserve which was my third month online. Things are moving fast so they should be available to anyone who wants to follow my suggestion.
"Aviation" degree is considered more of a training program than a degree. Its not considered very broad. A pilot with an "aviation" degree is looked at as having something rather redundant. I think taking a couple extra courses to have a business degree would look a lot better.
My post was aimed at someone without a degree who wants to go to a major. Chances are the person can hold Captain as Skywest as soon as he has the qualifications to do so. Why would someone want to go to Compass or Gojet for a quicker upgrade if he can't do the quicker upgrade anyway? He is much better with Skywest on his resume.
There is a lot to be said about a person with a 4 year degree from a respected university. Number one is it says he has the persistence to follow a plan of study to its end. Number 2 is it shows he can focus on something and get it done. Number 3 is it shows that he can learn. Yes, there are a lot of people who can learn on their own and don't need the college degree to do just as well but they are more the exception than the rule. Not everyone is a Steve Jobs.
#123
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Are you being serious? There is literally no difference between Skywest, Compass, CommutAir or Mesa on a resume. Zero. None. To think so is delusional.
#124
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Actually that is not true, a Delta recruiter has told my friend (who is also recruiter) that they have different tiers for airlines such as XJT is rated as a tier 1 airline where as Gojet is a tier 3 airline. You would get more app points as an XJT pilot than you would from Gojet (doesn't mean you couldn't get hired as a GJ pilot) but they do care where you come from based on whatever data they have collected. Ironically XJT is a higher rated airline than Spirit or Frontier so a lateral move would hurt your chances in that case. Gojet and Mesa were rated as tier 3 airlines (bc of their hiring practices). Delta does care about the quality of airline you came from, not some fly by night operation that hires tier 1 airline washouts over the phone and then gives them 20 sims and 100 hrs IOE. I've heard United has a similar point system as well.
#125
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Ha-ha-ha-ha. Delusions of grandure. But, of course that's what this mainline Skywest guy would say. The only thing that matters on your resume is ME turbine 121 time. Stop acting like your turds are more finely polished please. It's exhausting.
#126
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Well thats not entirely true.. i know quite a few people in the united hiring process and xjet skyw etc do get more interviews than others.. others are obviously getting hired as well but thats what they told me.
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Actually that is not true, a Delta recruiter has told my friend (who is also recruiter) that they have different tiers for airlines such as XJT is rated as a tier 1 airline where as Gojet is a tier 3 airline. You would get more app points as an XJT pilot than you would from Gojet (doesn't mean you couldn't get hired as a GJ pilot) but they do care where you come from based on whatever data they have collected. Ironically XJT is a higher rated airline than Spirit or Frontier so a lateral move would hurt your chances in that case. Gojet and Mesa were rated as tier 3 airlines (bc of their hiring practices). Delta does care about the quality of airline you came from, not some fly by night operation that hires tier 1 airline washouts over the phone and then gives them 20 sims and 100 hrs IOE. I've heard United has a similar point system as well.
#129
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Flows are designed for 3 things, to get you to go to that regional, to work for lower pay, and to stay longer. If they just wanted pilots they would simply pay more.
I held the standups in Chicago my first month off of reserve which was my third month online. Things are moving fast so they should be available to anyone who wants to follow my suggestion.
"Aviation" degree is considered more of a training program than a degree. Its not considered very broad. A pilot with an "aviation" degree is looked at as having something rather redundant. I think taking a couple extra courses to have a business degree would look a lot better.
My post was aimed at someone without a degree who wants to go to a major. Chances are the person can hold Captain as Skywest as soon as he has the qualifications to do so. Why would someone want to go to Compass or Gojet for a quicker upgrade if he can't do the quicker upgrade anyway? He is much better with Skywest on his resume.
There is a lot to be said about a person with a 4 year degree from a respected university. Number one is it says he has the persistence to follow a plan of study to its end. Number 2 is it shows he can focus on something and get it done. Number 3 is it shows that he can learn. Yes, there are a lot of people who can learn on their own and don't need the college degree to do just as well but they are more the exception than the rule. Not everyone is a Steve Jobs.
I held the standups in Chicago my first month off of reserve which was my third month online. Things are moving fast so they should be available to anyone who wants to follow my suggestion.
"Aviation" degree is considered more of a training program than a degree. Its not considered very broad. A pilot with an "aviation" degree is looked at as having something rather redundant. I think taking a couple extra courses to have a business degree would look a lot better.
My post was aimed at someone without a degree who wants to go to a major. Chances are the person can hold Captain as Skywest as soon as he has the qualifications to do so. Why would someone want to go to Compass or Gojet for a quicker upgrade if he can't do the quicker upgrade anyway? He is much better with Skywest on his resume.
There is a lot to be said about a person with a 4 year degree from a respected university. Number one is it says he has the persistence to follow a plan of study to its end. Number 2 is it shows he can focus on something and get it done. Number 3 is it shows that he can learn. Yes, there are a lot of people who can learn on their own and don't need the college degree to do just as well but they are more the exception than the rule. Not everyone is a Steve Jobs.
While I agree with your overall recommendation on degree, respected university and overall direction, please don't set unrealistic expectations as far as schedule and work/life/study balance options.
The fact that it worked out for you in ORD is great. But pairings change every month and I can assure you that this will not work in other SKYW domicile.
#130
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Flows are designed for 3 things, to get you to go to that regional, to work for lower pay, and to stay longer. If they just wanted pilots they would simply pay more.
I held the standups in Chicago my first month off of reserve which was my third month online. Things are moving fast so they should be available to anyone who wants to follow my suggestion.
"Aviation" degree is considered more of a training program than a degree. Its not considered very broad. A pilot with an "aviation" degree is looked at as having something rather redundant. I think taking a couple extra courses to have a business degree would look a lot better.
My post was aimed at someone without a degree who wants to go to a major. Chances are the person can hold Captain as Skywest as soon as he has the qualifications to do so. Why would someone want to go to Compass or Gojet for a quicker upgrade if he can't do the quicker upgrade anyway? He is much better with Skywest on his resume.
There is a lot to be said about a person with a 4 year degree from a respected university. Number one is it says he has the persistence to follow a plan of study to its end. Number 2 is it shows he can focus on something and get it done. Number 3 is it shows that he can learn. Yes, there are a lot of people who can learn on their own and don't need the college degree to do just as well but they are more the exception than the rule. Not everyone is a Steve Jobs.
I held the standups in Chicago my first month off of reserve which was my third month online. Things are moving fast so they should be available to anyone who wants to follow my suggestion.
"Aviation" degree is considered more of a training program than a degree. Its not considered very broad. A pilot with an "aviation" degree is looked at as having something rather redundant. I think taking a couple extra courses to have a business degree would look a lot better.
My post was aimed at someone without a degree who wants to go to a major. Chances are the person can hold Captain as Skywest as soon as he has the qualifications to do so. Why would someone want to go to Compass or Gojet for a quicker upgrade if he can't do the quicker upgrade anyway? He is much better with Skywest on his resume.
There is a lot to be said about a person with a 4 year degree from a respected university. Number one is it says he has the persistence to follow a plan of study to its end. Number 2 is it shows he can focus on something and get it done. Number 3 is it shows that he can learn. Yes, there are a lot of people who can learn on their own and don't need the college degree to do just as well but they are more the exception than the rule. Not everyone is a Steve Jobs.
Obtaining your ratings shows persistence, focus, and following a plan of study too.
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