Part 121 & CFIing
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Nobody wants to. There's grey everywhere. How do you know which way he swings? Easy. Like I said give him/her a call.
When does a year start? I really don't know what one. Is it past 12 callender months?
To my knowledge, and this was just from a MD-11 pilot I was working for. You are still required to have a class 2 medical. I believe, and this could be stretching it, a CFI is still a whole different case. Eitherway you can't prove it does anymore than we can prove it can't outside of how it was interpreted by the FAA when I called them.
If you are a private pilot, and take your unlicensed father flying, and let him fly for 30 minutes, you can't log ANY flight time during that time because you weren't flying, even though you were technically PIC and he doesn't even have a student pilot certificate! Exemptions are retarded, I agree. That doesn't make sense, but it's the way the regs read.
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True, it is exempt. Flying or non-flying military drill weekends frequently involve 18-20 hour days...if you try to force the airlines to quantify that they would have to give us all a day off after drill to recover...not cost effective.
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There's your problem - ignore all the rest of the crap about using your commercial certificate and whether your CFI certificate is a license - whatever that was about.
If you get paid to provide instruction that is commercial flying, in the eyes of the FAA and counts against your commercial flying totals, which is why most companies don't want you doing it, because it limits your availability for THEIR commercial flying.
I'm sure there are plenty of people out there providing instruction, getting paid for it, not telling their Part 121 employer - many of those people are flying illegally (30 in 7, 100 in calendar month or 1000 calendar year and probably all 3). It's all fun and games until you have an incident and the FAA wants to see your logbooks - then it's not so funny any more.
If you get paid to provide instruction that is commercial flying, in the eyes of the FAA and counts against your commercial flying totals, which is why most companies don't want you doing it, because it limits your availability for THEIR commercial flying.
I'm sure there are plenty of people out there providing instruction, getting paid for it, not telling their Part 121 employer - many of those people are flying illegally (30 in 7, 100 in calendar month or 1000 calendar year and probably all 3). It's all fun and games until you have an incident and the FAA wants to see your logbooks - then it's not so funny any more.
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We have an Alaska exemption which is 500 a quarter, 800 in two quarters and 1400 a year even though we are 121... so I've had paychecks going on 80 hours for a two week period before and it's still legal. No monthly limit... unless you count the 500 a quarter
As far as the CFI thing, does anyone have a letter or interpretation or reg to show that CFI counts against 121 time? These all seem to be based off of opinion right now, and saying "this is what the feds think" without backing it up can be misleading if you aren't 100% from an interpretation from them.
As far as the CFI thing, does anyone have a letter or interpretation or reg to show that CFI counts against 121 time? These all seem to be based off of opinion right now, and saying "this is what the feds think" without backing it up can be misleading if you aren't 100% from an interpretation from them.
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As far as the CFI thing, does anyone have a letter or interpretation or reg to show that CFI counts against 121 time? These all seem to be based off of opinion right now, and saying "this is what the feds think" without backing it up can be misleading if you aren't 100% from an interpretation from them.
That would be the more conservative train of thought. Obviously there is no reg that directly addresses it, or we wouldn't be having this conversation. There isn't a reg that directly says you cannot taxi at 100 knots on a taxiway either.
I see the "CON" side of the argument - especially when they pull the no-medical-required tactic - however in "my" mind I see that as an exemption rather than going to show that working as a CFI isn't a commercial operation.
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