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02-13-2007 | 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11

they why is it a requirement to have your comm before you can apply for the CFI cert?

As a CFI you are able to teach commercial students. (edited I had hr req for teaching a comm. student but it's for a CFI.). Because of that you need to be able to do the commercial maneuvers and have knowledge over the commercial subjects. For your CFI checkride you do it to commercial standards. Those are the highest standards you can teach to.

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02-13-2007 | 08:57 AM

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As a CFI you are able to teach commercial students once you have 400hrs instruction given. Because of that you need to be able to do the commercial maneuvers and have knowledge over the commercial subjects. For your CFI checkride you do it to commercial standards. Those are the highest standards you can teach to.

Is this new? Since when do you need 400 hrs of duel to give comm instruction?

02-13-2007 | 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski

while a Coomerical is a license, so when you are CFIing, you are exercsing your CFI Certificate, not flying around people/prodcut for hire

Where did you get this idea? Passed down from generation to generation and taken as gospel?

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Section III of my Commercial certificate:

III Certificate Number ########

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Another example:

§ 61.121 Applicability.

This subpart prescribes the requirements for the issuance of commercial pilot certificates and ratings, the conditions under which those certificates and ratings are necessary, and the general operating rules for persons who hold those certificates and ratings.

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The commercial is a certificate, so is the CFI, which blows your entire argument. Give it up man.

02-13-2007 | 09:03 AM

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CFI is not a license, which is what you were saying

02-13-2007 | 09:05 AM

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No, you can do it with a 3rd class medical because the FAR 61.23 (b) (5) allows you to do with without a medical. It's called and exemption.

Yea I know I never argued that.

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You can "hold out" and do all sorts of flying. Ferry flights, Aerial photography, sightseeing flights, etc. They are all commercial operations (ie they would require a commercial license to do) but the exemptions for them, as well as instructing, are contained in Part 119 - CERTIFICATION: AIR CARRIERS AND COMMERCIAL OPERATORS.

Depends on the circumstances. If someone comes out and says, "hey I bought a plane and I want you to ferry it from point A to B for $250" and you say "No $300" it's illegal. When it comes to banner towing, crop dusting, aerial photography, ect. it all comes down to who rents the plane and how the transactions are handled to be considered legal. If you go rent a plane to do banner towing in they'll nail you down.

02-13-2007 | 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fosters

Printed on the back of my CFI certificate, under section XIII: Limitations:

"Valid only when accompanied by pilot certificate No. ########. Expires: [date]"

The number that follows is my commercial certificate number.

My question to you, if you are only utilizing your CFI license, why are you required to carry and have your commercial license?

See told ya so

02-13-2007 | 09:06 AM

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Is this new? Since when do you need 400 hrs of duel to give comm instruction?

Ahh my bad that's to teach cfi initiats. I'm goin to fix that. Rules are getting jumbled up

Fosters I guess you could say they are all certificates. A certificate is nothing. I could get a certificate for 30% off at Macy's. It's a physical representation of something. The commercial certicicate is a license. The CFI certificate is a rating.

02-13-2007 | 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

As a CFI you are able to teach commercial students once you have 400hrs instruction given.

You're referring to teaching OTHER CFI's in an FAA approved course. Different situation. CFI's can teach student pilots, private, commercial, and ATP's.

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Those are the highest standards you can teach to.

CFI's can't teach ATP's? Oops! Forgot about that one, did ya?

SAAB, you're backing this guy up? Almost nothing he has said is correct.

02-13-2007 | 09:09 AM

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Ahh my bad that's to teach cfi initiats. I'm goin to fix that. Rules are getting jumbled up

No problem! FAA FAR are meant to be jumbled up, thats why they write them in anything but plain english!

02-13-2007 | 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

Depends on the circumstances. If someone comes out and says, "hey I bought a plane and I want you to ferry it from point A to B for $250" and you say "No $300" it's illegal.

Not true - it is 100% legal! Ferry pilots can even advertise - no need for a 135 certificate.