Sim Time for R-ATP. How to log it?
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Also, more than 25 sim time can count towards the ATP for total time, so 1475 isn't the right min number. 25 is the limit for multi, yes. Up to 100 FFS or FTD can count towards the ATP "total time as a pilot." If, and only if, that time was obtained as a part of a 141 program, OR a 142 program (like the ATP-CTP) or your airline's 121 program.
Not too many folks have this time coming into an airline, as most schools use ATDs, not FTDs, and definitely not FFSs. But at the airline, you'll get 25 multi FFS, and 30+ total time FFS. Add another 12 for ATP-CTP. But not all airlines will let you come in short to get to the 1500; some want mins met before starting ground school, or before the ATP-CTP even.
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^^^ This, right thar.
You can count the sim towards ME and TT as you said. But not N nor PIC. Your "PIC" time in a simulator should not even be logged in your logbook, though I realize you probably acted as PIC. But if it's not in a plane or a helicopter, it's not actually PIC.
You can count the sim towards ME and TT as you said. But not N nor PIC. Your "PIC" time in a simulator should not even be logged in your logbook, though I realize you probably acted as PIC. But if it's not in a plane or a helicopter, it's not actually PIC.
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FWIW when I did my R-ATP at FlightSafety a while back, I needed 23 sim hours to count toward my multi time requirement.
The training center had not seen a R-ATP before and needed some guidance from the FSDO.
The Feds told us to log it as Total Time, AMEL, and Sim. Because I was using that time to meet the time-in-class requirement, that time in class had to be logged accordingly.
Since then (recurrent) I've just not logged the sim time at all - I use the 8410 or my FSI completion certs to show my currency. Not sure if that's the right or wrong attitude, but meh.
The training center had not seen a R-ATP before and needed some guidance from the FSDO.
The Feds told us to log it as Total Time, AMEL, and Sim. Because I was using that time to meet the time-in-class requirement, that time in class had to be logged accordingly.
Since then (recurrent) I've just not logged the sim time at all - I use the 8410 or my FSI completion certs to show my currency. Not sure if that's the right or wrong attitude, but meh.
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