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rickair7777 10-27-2016 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by BigDukeSix (Post 2232548)
HIMS is not a get out of jail card like an ASAP. This is now a criminal act. It doesn't work that way.

Completion of HIMS has gotten people their certificates and jobs back.

At SKW HIMS will likely allow him to return to his original seniority, if he completes the program and gets his medical back. Assuming this is even a HIMS case. Certainly no guarantees though.

But HIMS works much. much better if you get into it before getting caught.

HIMS at other airlines may be different.

tomgoodman 10-27-2016 11:05 AM

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Tenacvols 10-27-2016 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Day4mx (Post 2232500)
Could have happened to anyone? Uhh...pretty sure that won't happen to 99.9995% of us on overnights. And its not something that "happened" "to" him. It was something he did. Getting mugged while walking back to the hotel from the grocery store happens to you. Getting drunk, Breaking into a fire chiefs car while naked with a hard on in the middle of the woods doesn't happen to you.

I thought it was the FA that broke into the car, the pilot was only in the woods naked...

WhistlePig 10-27-2016 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 2232175)
Yet many smart people in other professions, doctors, lawyers and such know better too. But somehow a percentage will also make this mistake. Just because we can read and fly a jet doesn't make us perfect or immune to life's problems.

Addiction is a widespread and very serious problem in the legal profession and is discussed at most yearly CLE's, particularly the mandatory ethics training. Some firms overlook functional addicts if they produce revenue and bill hours; for a time. State Bar organizations have a program similar to HIMS to help lawyers get and remain healthy, hopefully before the lawyer is out of control and commits malpractice.

I am certainly not going to judge and I hope this pilot has a positive personal outcome regardless of whether he flies again or not.

DarkSideMoon 10-27-2016 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2232257)
A lot of keyboard warriors on here. I wonder what they all said in their interviews when they got the "captain shows up drunk/what do" question. I stand by he needs to get help, he is only human. Seems a lot of people would rather just ruin someone's life because, well it ain't them. What If you were the one in cuffs. How would you want to be treated and and what kind of help would you want. Real easy to say throw him in jail and watch his life burn away. It's ok to have a beer or even two on a long overnight. Just don't get blackout drunk and stumble back to the comfort inn and make a scene. Don't forgot, hotel staff knows who you are and who you work for. Have a beer and be responsible about it.

Exactly. I'm very early on in my career. I posed this question to some of my friends last year in flight school right before we graduated and almost all of them were "throw them under the bus, call the cops". With the standards dropping at the regionals I don't think it'll be long before that line of thinking becomes standard.

wiz5422 10-27-2016 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by BigDukeSix (Post 2232545)
Aren't you a holier than thou type. Maybe his captain was checking the weather for the day maybe the captain was talking to their spouse on the phone, perhaps they were still waking up because it was early in the morning. Throwing the stone in a glass house.

You must be part of the ME generation. Only care and look out for yourself. It only takes a little hello and small conversation down in the hotel lobby to notice how fit each other is before heading to the airport.

WesternSkies 10-27-2016 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2232627)
You must be part of the ME generation. Only care and look out for yourself. It only takes a little hello and small conversation down in the hotel lobby to notice how fit each other is before heading to the airport.

Do NOT sniff your crew members.

dontcare4U 10-27-2016 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2232627)
You must be part of the ME generation. Only care and look out for yourself. It only takes a little hello and small conversation down in the hotel lobby to notice how fit each other is before heading to the airport.


*** does this have to do with the ME generation? And no, I'm not part of their generation.

Loon 10-27-2016 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by baldrick (Post 2231949)
In a word, irresponsible.


Are you saying that a lack of willpower and/or lack of maturity for one not to realize that they have a problem is irresponsible?

Well then, i agree.

malibularry 10-27-2016 12:50 PM

My answer, back in the day, was either you call in sick or I will. Sobering moment.


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