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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2257062)

As far as management, pilot, janitor, lav dumper goes, lets just say I have no horse in the SKW and DL race. None of it impacts me either way. Both could vanish and it doesn't change my situation at all....

Yes, DL did have a problem with the UAL code share deal so you are dead wrong about that. That caused a massive shift on how the business model changed between majors and regionals. There is a reason those regionals like Comair and ACA no longer exist, and SKW is in the position it is. There is another reason why regionals that once puddled around in 19 seat Metro's are flying 76 seat jets in these partnerships, and that is because it is a give and take between pilot groups and management. I don't need to remind you how this happened, or how it will continue to happen in the future, because no matter what you say...you know. You guys folded like a shirt when it came to bigger equipment than the 50 seat RJs, and you will fold again. Mark my words, it will happen.

Mark my words: you will never get your scope jets. Sorry bro. I know you think all trends continue forever. If that were true, then SKYW will become the new airline world order and fly every plane for every airline in existence. All trends continue, right? Every time you takeoff, you are accelerating at a rapid rate and will go super sonic in a matter of minutes! Oh wait, there's reality. The same reality that will prevent SKYW from becoming what you want it to become.

So you're either a very senior/lifer pilot or a manager at SKYW. That's cool. I assure you your counterparts at CMR, ACA and other places had ambitions every bit as lofty as yours. So far we are several contracts deep into the "hold the line" mentality on your upper end. IMO the only relief you'll see is if you shrink to fly fewer RJ's already in your allowed range at the expense of more on the lower end. IOW you will have to shrink to get even that.

SKYW was hardly a revolutionary with their UAL deal. Other regionals operated for more than one partner. I know you think JA is the dominant genius of the industry; many thought the same about CMR and ACA managers as well. But I agree that he is smart. Smart enough to know that his ambitions stop here, and he's better off taking his guaranteed profits and staying in his place.

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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2257127)

If the majors want the regionals flying these aircraft because passengers demand it, then you can be assured somehow someway they will make it happen.

Not going to happen. I hope you didn't get a bunch of stock options based on that.

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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2257218)

You just keep telling yourself that.

And you keep pretending SKYW is the little engine that could, always growing, always flying bigger planes, to infinity and beyond!

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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2257221)

There is no need to pretend, and hardly little engine that could. Man, that thorn is deeep in your side. I love it.

Why would SKYW being forever limited to current seat and weight limits to fly DL and UAL code as determined by the pilot groups who own their codes bother me? You are limited, unless we chose to permit you otherwise. Spoiler alert: we will not permit you otherwise. The koolaid must be hella strong in SGU.

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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2257127)

I do not agree, as the industry is in a upswing and doing just fine. But once the peak has been hit, and things decline (as they always do) that is when you see those types of change. Mitsubishi, Bombardier and Embraer jumped the gun way too soon with these types of designs, and now they will be responsible to figure out a way to make it work. If the majors want the regionals flying these aircraft because passengers demand it, then you can be assured somehow someway they will make it happen.

Yet they didn't find that way.

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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2257234)

LOL, like I told you before SKW could go away completely and would not impact me one bit. If that isn't hint enough for you, you can continue doing what ever speculating you want. For all you know, I could work for Delta. You ever considered that?

No.

You're clearly a SKYW fanboy, which, in and of itself, I have no problem with. Like I said, they are a quality regional operator and run a fairly good show. I give them credit for that. Every place has lifers, and the "lost decade" has put more in that position than otherwise would have happened. So I get that.

But the fact remains that they will not be permitted to operate larger equipment outside of a massive scope sale or an IndyAir style, all in gamble. The scope sale isn't going to happen. Your ride to the stars stops with the 76 seaters at current weights. Its possible to get more, but only as a result of horse trading for a greater reduction at the lower end, or perhaps a new deal with AS/VX or even picking up some flying currently done by other regionals.

You will not be getting larger equipment from DL. That ship has sailed. If you find another way, it puts your entire DCI partnership at risk, which is why your friend JA won't do it. SKYW grew a lot because they got their pilots to "deal them an ace" when they needed it the most. But don't expect any cards under the table from DALPA. You won't be getting any.