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gloopy 12-05-2016 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2256082)
And you just spiked the football confirming my thoughts.

Or, you could attempt to form a cognizant argument explaining your position. Since you refuse to, and resort only to (vague and bizarre) ad hominem attacks, I'm left to assume, based on the rarified tone of the almost random hit and run responses from you, that you don't even have an argument and are just attempting to troll, which is cool. I'm actually enjoying it to a point. I just wish you'd expound on your arguments a bit.

SKYW is not going to get jumbo RJ's or mainline sized planes. That is simply not in their manifest destiny, unless they kill off their existing gravy train code shares and try to do it IndyAir style. That they could at least attempt that. But we all know how that would end.

DL (and UAL and SKYW and many others) own their codes. Its already bought and paid for in their contracts, which never expire, and that aspect of it is not going to change short of a massive "self help" nuclear option by management trying to re-crew an airline with scabs during a legal work stoppage. But that's not going to happen either.

Managements, CEO's, BOD's, shareholders or aircraft manufacturers aren't going to change that. The only other way for it to happen would be if the pilot groups who own their code willingly gave it up, or if a bankruptcy court voided it. While theoretically possible, neither will happen either.

You can maybe be excused for getting lost in the moment of SKYW's meteoric rise from 30 to 50 to 70 to 90 seaters, always growing always reaching for the stars, etc. But that trend vector ends here. You've reached your service ceiling. The only way to continue is to get mainline code for things you are not allowed to fly without going it alone, and that almost definitely won't happen. If it does, best of luck.

But it won't happen within DL, UAL, SWA, AA or many other codes, nor will it happen with them subsidizing them while they attempt it, because their respective pilot groups will not permit it. That is their exclusive decision, because they own and control who flies their code, and what exact terms they do so.

I'm sorry if that makes you feel dabbed on.

Mesabah 12-05-2016 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2255214)
Delta would lose a few but retain most. They have a bit of clout in the Atlanta area.

Okay, Skywest starts operating the MRJ for Alaska, Alaska scope is the lulz, and Delta pilots file a grievance causing DAL to drop Skywest. Skywest then leases its 27 owned gates in ATL to NAI/ME3, now what? It would be monumentally stupid to cancel your agreement with Skywest under these circumstances.

sailingfun 12-05-2016 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2256225)
Okay, Skywest starts operating the MRJ for Alaska, Alaska scope is the lulz, and Delta pilots file a grievance causing DAL to drop Skywest. Skywest then leases its 27 owned gates in ATL to NAI/ME3, now what? It would be monumentally stupid to cancel your agreement with Skywest under these circumstances.

You claim Skywest owns the gates. That would be unique since no other airline including Delta owns any gates at ATL. They are all leased and the lease agreements include a recapture if the gate is not utilized by the operating airline.

Mesabah 12-05-2016 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2256326)
You claim Skywest owns the gates. That would be unique since no other airline including Delta owns any gates at ATL. They are all leased and the lease agreements include a recapture if the gate is not utilized by the operating airline.

Yes, Skywest subleases the gates they lease from ATL to the airline they choose, which happens to be Delta. Airlines have the option to renew their leases. I'm fully aware of how this process works, including the different categories of gate utilization in ATL, you don't need to keep repeating it.

WhiskeyDelta 12-05-2016 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2256225)
Okay, Skywest starts operating the MRJ for Alaska, Alaska scope is the lulz, and Delta pilots file a grievance causing DAL to drop Skywest. Skywest then leases its 27 owned gates in ATL to NAI/ME3, now what? It would be monumentally stupid to cancel your agreement with Skywest under these circumstances.

So wide bodies would start parking in the C & D Concourses? That would knock out several gates per widebody. No customs there either.

Won't happen anyway.

gloopy 12-05-2016 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2256225)
Okay, Skywest starts operating the MRJ for Alaska, Alaska scope is the lulz, and Delta pilots file a grievance causing DAL to drop Skywest. Skywest then leases its 27 owned gates in ATL to NAI/ME3, now what? It would be monumentally stupid to cancel your agreement with Skywest under these circumstances.

The tiny gates with no customs in the already overflowing at RJ capacity terminals are going to handle 27 gates worth of international wide bodies? :D

That would be fun to watch. And DL would do just fine.

gloopy 12-05-2016 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate (Post 2256246)
Thanks for another bang em up response Sybil. [/IMG]

You're really putting on a clinic of how to prove an articulate point.

badflaps 12-05-2016 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2256699)
The tiny gates with no customs in the already overflowing at RJ capacity terminals are going to handle 27 gates worth of international wide bodies? :D

That would be fun to watch. And DL would do just fine.

And the restrooms are soooo small...........:eek:


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