Jefferson

I got some guff from a "former recruiter" last time I did this. I hope he's still all fluffed up..
1. Which regional airline sends more pilots to the Legacy carriers?
2. If you reach the end of the new hire training program and need some more simulator time to get your check-ride recommendation...can you get it, or are you send on your way?
3. Which major carrier (if any) puts weight on PIC time? (hint: Southwest only)
4. What percentage of new hires make it to the line and what percentage are ultimately turned away?

Its not all hotels and signing bonuses

BeatNavy

Work in the expressjet recruiting office or something?

Gman007

Why would you need to ask the what would happen if i fail training questions? Imo you shouldn't care you dont go to a job thinking you are going to fail.

pagey

1: A loaded question. I guarantee the answer is whichever regional has the largest pilot group This should in no way affect your regional decision.

3: You're delusional if you think PIC has "no weight". It may not be required to apply anymore but to say it doesn't matter is simply foolish.

2/4: If you put in the work, show effort, and have a good attitude you are going to be given a fair shake. Instructors can tell when you haven't prepared. Every airline needs pilots right now you are going to get an opportunity to succeed if you apply yourself.

Generally the horror stories you hear on this site are a "one side of the story" situation and things get left out, especially in the training environment with inexperienced pilots. Honestly if I'm interviewing someone and they ask what's going to happen if they fail it'll raise some red flags in my head.

Poser765

1. No idea on concrete numbers but pretty much everyone is sending people up the chain.

2. Initial training is not cheap by the time you factor in training costs, hotels, training pay, etc. By the time you get to a checkride/loe/whatever they are highly invested in getting you online. Unless you are a total screw up you will get additional training. Another sim ride or two is far cheaper than hiring a new body to go through the whole process.

3. I think they ALL put weight on TPIC time. Applications are comprehensive, though, so a really solid application with no TPIC can get the call just fine. TPIC is just another form of bolstering your app. None of the majors I know of REQUIRE TPIC but it is preferred and competitive.

4. I've gone through three initial training programs for three different carriers. The first was a class of thirty and everyone made it to the line. The second was a class of 28 and two didn't make it...One left on her own and the other had no business being there in the first place. The third was a class of 15 and everyone there made it through.

Again, see number 1...It's in their financial best interest to get a new hire out on the line and through training.

Jet Jockey 00

So who cares what you get paid or the contract? Lol.

Picking a regional.

1.) company that is growing. I.e. Ordering planes and people leaving from the top.

2.). Pay - sign on bonus, good year two pay, quick upgrade. I.e. No pay cut since you will be upgrading to Captain pay.

3.). Good travel benefits and healthcare.

4.) flow to a major carrier.

If every new hire went to a company that has a large bonus and flow the other carriers would have to follow suit because it would become new industry standard. That is the way to get change. Vote with your feet people. Don't go to a bottom tier regional then complain that you don't have a bonus or flow or good travel benefits and cry to the union.

Voting with action speaks louder than any complaining. Regional industry is a racket and we need to get rid of it. Most now are flying former mainline routes and delivering a mainline product for peanuts because people still go to Reginals with crap pay and contract. Self inflicted wound. Talk to pilots who work for the company first, Private message pilots here before talking to a recruiter.

No Lies

Yes he does.

Lets change the questions to something a little more accurate, but still using the same questions.

1. Which regional airline sends more pilots to the Legacy carriers by PERCENTAGE of entire pilot group?
2. If you reach the end of the new hire training program and need some more simulator time to get your check-ride recommendation...can you get it, or are you sent on your way?
3. Which major carrier (if any) REQUIRES PIC time? (hint: Southwest only) (All carriers put weight on PIC)
4. What percentage of new hires make it to "A" line. What percentage will never be off of Reserve? What percentage will see a captain upgrade in under 2 years?

Its time to make a "smart choice". Look for a company with "stability" and not just one that claims it. Stability would come from a company that has a future and one that is growing.

Jefferson

Decent re-write.. thanks.

Some issues with previous responses.

"I guarantee the answer is whichever regional has the largest pilot group" That would seem reasonable.. but its bad statistics. None of the hiring algorithms put weight into "current employer size" Someone will argue they dont want to hire all their feeders pilots away.. thats not true.
what would happen if i fail training questions? Not what I said. No lies reworded it better...
Yes he does. No. He doesn't

Some good thoughts in this thread that aren't from me... If you have some questions to add.. then lets add them.. but if all you want to do is argue for the sake of being right.. upgrade...

pagey

You are twisting my words. I didn't say "majors like to hire pilots from larger companies". It's simple math that a regional with the most pilots(or close) is going to send more pilots to majors. So like I said your first question is loaded and should have no bearing on anyone's decision of employer.

As far as the failing, why would you even care about those other questions if you were confident in your ability to pass training? Again, someone showing effort and general good attitude isn't going to be sent home without being given an opportunity to be successful.

Jefferson

That would be the most reasonable, and I agree that's what should happen, but it doesn't. Like it or not, some regional airlines give you X number of Sims and that's it. If you aren't recommended, you don't get any more