Republic or PSA?
09-21-2017, 10:09 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by ironmanndfw
PleaseComplete:
I was taken to task over this very item. I said why go to PSA vs Rjet due to the SAP?
The straight answer I was given is that it is already in our contract. Implementation is the next hurtle which will be at either company. Rjet is lagging behind. Honest answer. The main difference I would venture is that Rjet also knows they HAVE to deliver else the stop to be effective in the pilot recruiting process. If we fail to deliver then it hurts us all, and our pilot candidates will consider going to PSA and well they should. While you can get more flies with honey, I find honesty is a lost art and I seek to revive it.
Lets not kid each other, both airlines need pilots. Each company's management have not been supportive in the past. Ok. Heck many of my buddies at PSA state privately that getting anything out of their management is less than productive. It's like they are waiting on the word from above (stand by, to stand by, to stand by is the reply) as they are overruled at times from mother AA. In Rjets case none of the Big 3 can rule over the other that allows us flexability you can not find at PSA or any other WO including Endeavor.
Here is some insght I was set to go to PSA, until I interviewed at Rjet. I knew that all was not roses at PSA. I know it s not always roses at Rjet. The main difference I found is that Rjet knows they had issues in the past and they are determined to not make the same mistake again. We shall see as while I desire to be optomistic I'm also a realist.
Ask a new hire at PSA how many times their President showed face during Indoc? Mine was 3/4 times over 9 days. He was seriously interested in our welfare and BB spoke directly to it. I and 2 others flew in just before Irma hit our homes in FL. BB asked us how we are doing back home. 2 of us said ok. I'm still waiting a damage report, the third had arrnged to be flown home to assist between Indoc and our sytems class. I expect my classmate to arrive some time Monday. This is leadership from the top, and how one builds loyality. I'm not saying that never happens at PSA, yet I experienced it FIRST HAND at Rjet.
So here is how I see this all shaking out. PSA pilots my good friends, enjoy the SAP. Rjet pilots get ready for SAP on sterriods as Rjet sees what the issues with SAP at PSA and will make it work better for all of us (That is at both companies).
They way I see it we are a pilot group, will get further along faster with collaberation over division. I want it the very best it has ever been for a pilot to be happy to call him/her-self a regional pilot.
I remember the days of pay at $14.50 an hour, and the phone number to the food stamp program that was Regional flying reality not very long ago!
Now tell me what you see?
I was taken to task over this very item. I said why go to PSA vs Rjet due to the SAP?
The straight answer I was given is that it is already in our contract. Implementation is the next hurtle which will be at either company. Rjet is lagging behind. Honest answer. The main difference I would venture is that Rjet also knows they HAVE to deliver else the stop to be effective in the pilot recruiting process. If we fail to deliver then it hurts us all, and our pilot candidates will consider going to PSA and well they should. While you can get more flies with honey, I find honesty is a lost art and I seek to revive it.
Lets not kid each other, both airlines need pilots. Each company's management have not been supportive in the past. Ok. Heck many of my buddies at PSA state privately that getting anything out of their management is less than productive. It's like they are waiting on the word from above (stand by, to stand by, to stand by is the reply) as they are overruled at times from mother AA. In Rjets case none of the Big 3 can rule over the other that allows us flexability you can not find at PSA or any other WO including Endeavor.
Here is some insght I was set to go to PSA, until I interviewed at Rjet. I knew that all was not roses at PSA. I know it s not always roses at Rjet. The main difference I found is that Rjet knows they had issues in the past and they are determined to not make the same mistake again. We shall see as while I desire to be optomistic I'm also a realist.
Ask a new hire at PSA how many times their President showed face during Indoc? Mine was 3/4 times over 9 days. He was seriously interested in our welfare and BB spoke directly to it. I and 2 others flew in just before Irma hit our homes in FL. BB asked us how we are doing back home. 2 of us said ok. I'm still waiting a damage report, the third had arrnged to be flown home to assist between Indoc and our sytems class. I expect my classmate to arrive some time Monday. This is leadership from the top, and how one builds loyality. I'm not saying that never happens at PSA, yet I experienced it FIRST HAND at Rjet.
So here is how I see this all shaking out. PSA pilots my good friends, enjoy the SAP. Rjet pilots get ready for SAP on sterriods as Rjet sees what the issues with SAP at PSA and will make it work better for all of us (That is at both companies).
They way I see it we are a pilot group, will get further along faster with collaberation over division. I want it the very best it has ever been for a pilot to be happy to call him/her-self a regional pilot.
I remember the days of pay at $14.50 an hour, and the phone number to the food stamp program that was Regional flying reality not very long ago!
Now tell me what you see?
09-21-2017, 05:16 PM
#33
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sflpilot:
I know who it is we are dealing with. This time he has his hands tied by the COB. Before bankruptcy it was not the case.
I have watched BB for many years. Right now BB seems to have a good team that is supportave of the company and making the companies goals happen.
If you like and support that then great, if not look elsewhere. Many are hiring.
Look it is a Republic Thread after all. If you don't like it, I'm sure many other threads will welcome you.
I know who it is we are dealing with. This time he has his hands tied by the COB. Before bankruptcy it was not the case.
I have watched BB for many years. Right now BB seems to have a good team that is supportave of the company and making the companies goals happen.
If you like and support that then great, if not look elsewhere. Many are hiring.
Look it is a Republic Thread after all. If you don't like it, I'm sure many other threads will welcome you.
09-21-2017, 07:22 PM
#34
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From the post about the details on how Rjet's SAP is supposed to work... it's doesn't sound anything like "SAP on steroids". The details you described sound like it would still be very limited. You wouldn't be able to drop ANY of the major holidays, or ANY day where there is not enough reserve coverage. I don't know about Rjet, but at a lot of Airlines this would translate to half of the month (if not more) that you wouldn't be able to trade or drop anything.
At PSA, besides 117 duty and rest rules, there are NO, NADA, NONE, ZERO limitations on the SAP. Maybe everyone dropped Christmas before you did and the company is negative 150 pilots in your base on Christmas....WHO CARES?! You can still drop it. No questions asked. With PSA's SAP you can literally build your schedule however you want it. If you want a stretch of 10 days off or more every month without vacation you can do it. It doesn't matter. You can do whatever the F*%K you want. Seniority does not matter once you're a line holder. It's all first come first serve. Even the most junior line holder can EASILY get 17-19 days off every month in whatever order he wants those days. Doesn't matter if it's a holiday or any other day the company is negative pilots. ANYTHING GOES.
I'm not trying to be insulting. I'm just saying most people don't realize how good we have it. There are lots of things this company does that drives me insane but the SAP makes up for it. I don't have to plan ANYTHING because I know I'm going to be able to get those days off even if it's Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, or whatever. My woman and I travel out of the country every month and I still have a few more days off when I get home. I'm not exaggerating when I say a vast majority of our pilots would turn down a 20k a year raise if it meant giving up SAP. It's the main reason we have literally hundreds of FOs bypassing upgrade, because no one wants to sit reserve as a captain and give up SAP. For me, I wouldn't even think about it unless it was at least 25k. Dead serious. It's that good. It's like a part time job that I get to decide when I work.
At PSA, besides 117 duty and rest rules, there are NO, NADA, NONE, ZERO limitations on the SAP. Maybe everyone dropped Christmas before you did and the company is negative 150 pilots in your base on Christmas....WHO CARES?! You can still drop it. No questions asked. With PSA's SAP you can literally build your schedule however you want it. If you want a stretch of 10 days off or more every month without vacation you can do it. It doesn't matter. You can do whatever the F*%K you want. Seniority does not matter once you're a line holder. It's all first come first serve. Even the most junior line holder can EASILY get 17-19 days off every month in whatever order he wants those days. Doesn't matter if it's a holiday or any other day the company is negative pilots. ANYTHING GOES.
I'm not trying to be insulting. I'm just saying most people don't realize how good we have it. There are lots of things this company does that drives me insane but the SAP makes up for it. I don't have to plan ANYTHING because I know I'm going to be able to get those days off even if it's Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter, or whatever. My woman and I travel out of the country every month and I still have a few more days off when I get home. I'm not exaggerating when I say a vast majority of our pilots would turn down a 20k a year raise if it meant giving up SAP. It's the main reason we have literally hundreds of FOs bypassing upgrade, because no one wants to sit reserve as a captain and give up SAP. For me, I wouldn't even think about it unless it was at least 25k. Dead serious. It's that good. It's like a part time job that I get to decide when I work.
09-22-2017, 02:16 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman
How does anybody work Christmas or other popular days to have off if everybody drops it?
The reserves work Christmas. Last Christmas that wasn't enough because so many people dropped it off... so they also offered 200% for the entire trip if it touched Christmas for anyone to pick up flying. Enough pilots picked up flying that they didn't have to cancel anything, but it was sure a mad dash to cover everything.
09-22-2017, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
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As said by others, I'd vote no on pay over giving up SAP. If they take away SAP I'll tender my resignation that day. Its that good.
As said by others, I'd vote no on pay over giving up SAP. If they take away SAP I'll tender my resignation that day. Its that good.
I dunno about his situation, but I'm close enough to flowing it would be dumb for me to leave. Although, I'd say without SAP...PSA is below average. If I was in the bottom half or bottom third of the seniority list and we lost SAP I would probably go to Envoy or Piedmont for the much quicker flow. Piedmont is flowing about the same amount of pilots each month as we are, yet they're about a third of our size. Flow at PSA is almost pointless if you're in the bottom half of the seniority list. But like I said, SAP makes up for it. I commute from a city that only has 2 flights a day to CLT. If I had to start all over again and every other regional opened a base in my hometown I would STILL commute to CLT strictly for SAP. Reserve blows, but once you get past that it's smooth sailing.
09-23-2017, 07:41 AM
#40
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New Hire Snapshot
Hey not sure if you already decided or if this will help but here is a snapshot from a Republic 5/1/17 new hire:
ATP CPT inhouse - paid for approx. 6 days, 3 classroom in IND then 3 SIM days in CVG then written back in IND (all hotels/expenses paid except meals)
Indoc/Systems/SIM - 2 months total
EWR based, 2 months of RSV then line
Typically used on rsv, only got a 2 hour call out once, all other trips were assigned at least 2 days in advance. did not get a call at all about 5 days in 2 months
Pay - around 2,700-3,000/month after taxes/health insurance/union dues/etc
Bonus worked out to take home about 7,000 of the 10,000 after taxes...
So far so good on culture, have not been screwed yet... I shut up, do my job and go home... I have had a lot worse jobs (blue collar) in my life.
Some will say differently but so far i dont mind it and being off RSV is huge, if that was the worst of it then it wont be too bad here. Just my 2cents...
Any more info, feel free to PM me
ATP CPT inhouse - paid for approx. 6 days, 3 classroom in IND then 3 SIM days in CVG then written back in IND (all hotels/expenses paid except meals)
Indoc/Systems/SIM - 2 months total
EWR based, 2 months of RSV then line
Typically used on rsv, only got a 2 hour call out once, all other trips were assigned at least 2 days in advance. did not get a call at all about 5 days in 2 months
Pay - around 2,700-3,000/month after taxes/health insurance/union dues/etc
Bonus worked out to take home about 7,000 of the 10,000 after taxes...
So far so good on culture, have not been screwed yet... I shut up, do my job and go home... I have had a lot worse jobs (blue collar) in my life.
Some will say differently but so far i dont mind it and being off RSV is huge, if that was the worst of it then it wont be too bad here. Just my 2cents...
Any more info, feel free to PM me
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